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anko's picture
beginner with problems against loose-passiv players

Hi, i play on stars (100 games so far 1,5 and 3,5 turbo and regular , i'm a small winner) and have some problems against loose-passiv -Players (btw i've never seen any kind of other player except 1or2 LAGs and didn't play against one single TAG or weak-tight-player).

generally, i know how to play against them (Play tight - bet for value - dont bluff etc.)but at sng's this doesn't work, because the blinds are raising too fast and there is no time to wait.

i tried all the strategies (limp-strategy etc...) but nothing works.

I raised with Value-Hands (~Top 12% (ATs+ KTs+ QTs+  all other unsuited Broadways with T and higher + 77+)) but i don't hit anything, or there are couple of Overcards , villain always hit something and the blinds put my stack down....

Questions:
1) Are there better sites to play, where i can find other play  - like weak-tight
2) what is good opening-Range - mine too tight or to loose
3) what range is good to limp

4) generally  strategy against them?
5) should i play higher buy-ins? maybe there are some better players to play against....

 

thx

adam25185's picture
1. Stars is the best site. 2.

1. Stars is the best site.

2. I would open at least 65% and probably 90% unless villain 3bets excessively preflop or never folds to cbets over a large (3/10+) sample. 

3. Vs a villain who never folds flop, simply limp your bottom 35% as it appears in Equilab or Pokertracker.

4. If some1 never folds flop then you should be checking back and delay cbetting or comitting to firing 2 (or even 3) streets so long as the board doesn't pair. Don't just bet flop and then give up: most of these players will have such a weak range by the river they will be instafolding.

5. Depends on your ROI. If you are making >10% over a large sample, my advice would be to move up.

 

Hope this helps

anko's picture
thx.the problem with open

thx.

the problem with open 65%, most of the time i don't hit anything so i have to barrel (like u said on 4) ). This won't work.

for example: i played a match couple minutes ago: I Raise - he calls   Flop: 27Tr - I Bet he calls   Turn: K   I Bet 80%Pot - he calls     River: A   i bet 115% Pot - he calls and shows Q6o and i played really tight so far => that is what happening all the time if i barrel.

adam25185's picture
If someone really is that

If someone really is that loose then you should just be able to value bet when you hit a hand. 

Obviously we don't always make the hand we need. But I can't emphasize enough, we can't win every game, basically. Just adjust based on what you see. 

klaouzo's picture
Hi

I'm actually playing the micros, as you are. I've started in avril at the 0,50 euro level with 10 euros in my bankroll, and, after 1700 games, 90 euros in my bankroll and a 57,4 winrate, I just started to grind the 1 euro level. If I had an advice to give for dealing with those players, who are clearly the majority, is LIMP EM TO DEATH and, when you do hit something, VALUE BET THEM TO DEATH. Keep the pot small pre-flop, there is absolutely no point in putting money in, if you don't have a monster at hand. You just have to wait for a good hand, and if it doesn't come, you will probably loose. Just don't bluff them, it's completely useless. I was really going crazy at first when they were always calling my 3 barrels with, like, Q high. Then, you have to adapt this general strategy to your opponents, and you will be able to steal small pots from some, who will be capable to realize that you only bet for value.

Ah, and one last thing. It is rather amusing to watch some of those crazy callers transform into folders once the blinds get high enough.