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Best tools and software to use for heads up play?

Hi boys and girls

I am just starting with heads up, probably have less then 300 games, but really want to specialize at it. Now i am reading Collin Moshman's book, watching beginners video pack, NBC National heads up championship, reading blogs and forum here.

Maybe it is mentioned before but I would like to ask everybody about the best tools beginning player can use while playing head's up. Any odds calculator that works well with heads up play? Charts? I would think tracking software has less significance in heads up play. What about moral implications of using sharkscope or is this a only way to approach your opponent in a game and be profitable in long term?

thanks for feedback

RyPac13's picture
Some good questions here. 1)

Some good questions here.

1) I would scrap the NBC heads up tourney.  I don't believe they even show every hand, but most importantly many of those players have very little heads up sng experience.  Even those that do (and there are some very good ones in that event too, don't think I'm just shitting on the players) they often have a lot of history with each other unknown to the viewer.  In short, it won't be very useful to watch this.

2) Moshman's book and the beginner pack should serve you well in helping you learn.  Don't forget to play a lot as well, as that's usually the most effective thing you can do to improve.

3) I'll start off by saying that many top players in heads up sngs don't use a single bit of software.  It's not necessary, it can be harmful if used incorrectly, but those that know how to utilize it can gain a small edge by using software.

4) Sharkscope (more on that in a sec), pokerstove, holdem manager (HUD) and the Nash equilibrium chart are the most utilized and probably most valuable tools that a heads up sng player can have.  Here's a brief description of each:

Sharkscope: Tracks stats, everybody basically knows about this.  Most use it.  Those that don't use tools often use Sharkscope still. 

PokerStove: Use this tool outside of the game to run situations where you need to know the equity of your hand (or hand range) against an opponent's hand (or hand range).  This is a great tool for analyzing any situation, from common spots to rare ones.

HEM HUD: HEM is pretty big and expansive (Poker Tracker used to be the most popular program in this category), but basically it tracks your stats and can be broken down into so many complex ways.  Some are valuable.  The HUD (heads up display) shows the frequencies of specific categories (there's probably hundreds of ways to measure an opponent's stats on HEM) that you choose during your game.  HUDs are more popular in the faster structures (FTP turbos as well as super turbos on a number of networks) and are increasingly popular among winning heads up sng players.  Many "I need a HUD" players do struggle, however, misapplying the numbers that they see.  I would suggest just single tabling while you start out anyways, and scrapping the idea of using a HUD for now.

Nash Chart: You can get a more detailed description in my end game video or Spamzor's end game thread on the 2p2 heads up NL forum.  Basically, this chart can be utilized towards the end of the game, most commonly at the 0-10 bb range for deciding which hands to call with and which hands to shove with.

5) As for using Sharkscope while you play.  Again, absolutely not necessary, however it can be valuable.  It's against the Terms and Conditions of PokerStars and Full Tilt I believe.  PokerStars absolutely has made it clear that they will not notify, punish or impact players in any way for using this.  Full Tilt has been inconsistent, but I would recommend not using it while playing any games there.

I imagine Sharkscope will be allowed on PokerStars in the near future, for a variety of reasons I won't get into here.

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To summarize, just play often, utilize things such as PokerStove to find the answers in common situations and continue to apply the knowledge you learn in the Moshman book and with the beginner's pack.

vpopovic's picture
some good answers here

wow. thanks for this information.
I agree 100% about NBC Heads up Championship, probably should be used for entertainment value more then as a learning tool. Some plays are just bad. I can never understand why would anybody with same stack a an opponent go all in with AK or 22 pre flop. Why not just flip a coin? Is the whole point of heads up play to wear up your opponent, play percentages and wait for a kill?
Must admit Scotty's comeback against Ivey was sick... seen it? probably have hundreds of similar situations yourself?...

For now I have to get comfortable with percentages and basic concepts. I played before at noble poker but I think about ub.com, might use rake back @ husng... maybe titan poker, more clueless gamblers on ipoker network.... $10, 20 games a day, 5 days a week... not quitting my day job yet :)

m.rahim101's picture
NBC Heads up

 I agree with the TV concept only show a few key hands from a whole gruelling match.However I would say The only exception is Paul Wasicka just from watching that guy he obviously plays a lot of heads up sng especially the year he won it even this year Annie Duke was saying the match with him almost killed her she sucked out on him to win it.

RyPac13's picture
I don't usually watch

I don't usually watch televised poker.

I was watching some WSOP the other day when Skates was making a video, the only thing on in the middle of the afternoon.  It was pretty funny stuff.  I can't watch any of it for long though.

One thing of worry in your post (otherwise it sounds good), never fold AK preflop in a husng!  Ever.

vpopovic's picture
first hand of a match, i

first hand of a match, i raise, he put's me all in... isn't it obvious that i am against any pair or even AA or KK where i am significant underdog? sorry this is off topic...

RyPac13's picture
To get a better answer than I

To get a better answer than I can give (generally I disagree with what you stated though), I would suggest to look through all of your hands that hapened first hand all in.Now, if what you say was true, you're probably getting it in with JJ+ or something first hand.  Ok, so over a bunch of games you'll have at least 10 hands probably where you've gotten it in with JJ-AA first hand vs a guy that shoved over your PF raise.Now just see what hands they showed up with there.  If all they showed up with were the strong range you think may be accurate, then it lends your opinion some weight.Now if a lot of guys are showing up with random air, all sorts of Ax hands, any PP including 22 and some Kx hands, then I would rethink my first hand range to get it all in.It'll be much more precise (and you'll believe in it a lot more) if you look at the actual hands that have happened for insight to your question than if I just write up 1000 words on why I believe ranges are much wider on first hand all ins than you indicate.

vpopovic's picture
biggest suckout of all time

biggest suckout of all time :)

thanks RyPac for explanation. My philosophy is to stay from early pre-flop all-ins against players of lesser skill. If I am confident with an opponent, patience and waiting for a better spots that give me greater edge should be basics of my gameplay.

Not that I wouldn't go allin pre-flop with AKs or AKo, against obviously tillted or plain horrid player...

..and let me just say THIS SITE IS AWESOME!!!

ACES15FULL's picture
In Annie's defense she got it

In Annie's defense she got it in good twice with JJ to A10 and 77 to A5 before her major suckout.

kingcobra's picture
1.  Watching poker on TV

1.  Watching poker on TV generally isn't helpful at all, it's for entertainment only.2.  Sharkscope can be a real good tool, you want to know who you're sitting with and you also want to know who's sat down with you.  I've no idea what Stars is doing with it since I don't play there, I won't be playing there anytime soon though knowing this.3.  I disagree about the potential advantages of HM.  It is true that the better you are at using stats the more advantage you'll have, a lot of the stats you need can't even be put into the HUD, I use the active player window mostly.  I can tell you that I find stats to be a huge advantage versus playing without them, maybe that's just me but there are plenty of players that agree.  It is true that you do have to know how to use them and if you're new to stats it could be a leak, however IMO anyway it's worth making some mistakes to learn them.  If you've got a super good memory then having stats tracked is less of an issue, my memory sucks but thankfully HM has a pretty good one :) 4.  Poker Stove can be helpful I guess for hand studies, probably more for higher stakes though, I don't think as a beginner you will have the need to mess around with this too much, maybe to look at a hand here and there you're wondering about.5.  Nash Chart - if you're playing low stakes this isn't going to be as helpful as you think, it makes some assumptions that just don't apply that well to fish, for instance it assumes calling ranges that are reasonable and fish aren't always reasonable.  It doesn't hurt to have a look at these though especially if you play turbos, on the other hand if you're starting out I wouldn't be playing turbos.  Depending on the blind structure of the site, you can play regular speed and hardly ever get into that many shove or fold situations, and depending on the opponent you may want to take some other lines here anyway.The main piece of software you need is your own brain and the way to improve that is to play and to also commit a good portion of your time to learning, you need to balance them especially starting out, the other stuff are supplements to your own thinking and they can be helpful but nothing substitutes for good thinking at the table.  

vpopovic's picture
@ RyPac13 first hand of a $11

@ RyPac13first hand of a $11 turbo at FTI raise my AKo on buttonHe reraises meI put him all-in. He callsShows AJ and I win the showdown lol I take back my jibberish about folding AK pre-flop...btw full tillt seems to ban all software... is Holdem Manager allowed? maybe it is better that way....

RyPac13's picture
HEM is allowed on FTP.  So is

HEM is allowed on FTP.  So is HEM HUD.Good to hear you liking the AK :)

kingcobra's picture
I've never heard of a site

I've never heard of a site which doesn't allow HEM, although some aren't too crazy about sharing hands which is what they consider an unfair advantage.  AK is a pretty good hand although back in the days when I used to coach I'd notice that students would end up losing a bunch of money with it overall, this was at full ring and 6 max though where people don't know enough to fold it when they miss, in heads up that's not such a problem of course.