No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBPlayer31460 BTNHero1540 Effective Stacks: 73bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BTN Hero raises to 60, Player3 raises to 180, Hero raises to 540, Player3 calls 360 Flop (1080, 2 players) Player3 checks, Hero bets 1000, Player3 calls 920 Turn (3000, 2 players) River (3000, 2 players) Final Pot: 3000 Player3 shows Player3 wins 2920 ( won +1460 ) Hero lost -1460 Villain is laggy and very fishy. He has a lot of spewy lines, and shoved with air(and showed) when we were 75bb deep. I left his hand in the HH because it's typical of his range. I'm fairly sure his range for both 3betting and calling the 4bet is more junk than gold. I think shoving on the flop here was probably pretty face-up, but with only a psb left behind on this flop what would the best move be? Also, vs a spewy fish would it be better to flat a 3bet to give the villain a chance to spew on a good flop?
Think the spew was the flop all in. What were you expecting him to call a 4 bet and fold to that low a flop? He ended up having the low end of his range. But pocket pairs make up so much of anyone's range here that you are never getting a fold.
Yeah, for sure. I would say this hand was the middle of his range, but even still shoving probably is only getting folds from hands I'm ahead of. The flop all-in pretty much screams "my overs missed" too, so I only have FE vs the hands that missed. So how do you play this?
I think this is completely fine. I would assume if he is as spewey as you say he is he is gonna call you with all of his A high hands on this low flop. Also People seem to just stick it in with 88's+ so against a lot of players I wouldn't even put a pp in his 4-bet calling range. I would almost be doing this for value against someone who just doesn't want to fold and you still have equity if your behind.
Yeah. My SPR is really low here, so i guess a shove can't be bad. What I'm wondering is if I should have sized my 4bet differently. Either bigger so that the shove is more +ev, or smaller so that I have wiggle room post.
This is an interesting situation actually and you need to think of what you gain potentially vs. give up with the flop push. The first thing I'd look at is how tight or loose the player is, you want him to be folding better hands here not just the ones you're ahead of. Given he called a 3 bet here you wouldn't think this flop hit him, your c-bet though will be overcards enough of the time that any piece of this could call you profitably. Anyone who calls a 3 bet and has a piece of this is going to be pretty donkish and the kind of player who isn't thinking a lot about what you have probably, and will call with better pretty much every time. So what you need here is to be called with worse enough of the time, you gain roughly an extra 1000 chips when this is the case, and you lose another roughly 1000 chips when you're wrong. There's also the risk that you may end up being pushed off the best hand later, to another high card hand for instance if he leads the turn or river with you both unimproved and you give up to the pot sized bet. This stuff comes down to how often you'll get called with worse versus better though and I can't imagine this being profitable on that basis, most of the time he's got high card here and is folding it, he needs to call more than he would fold a hand like this, the guy would have to be a real fish to do this more often than not. So I'd be checking back this hand here and hope to improve or get to showdown, or to at least look to get the money in by inducing, if he ends up betting it out later in the hand you can re-evaluate based upon his tendencies, it's going to be easier to get his money though that way when you both miss since he may be thinking his A high is good and shove later and certainly this is more likely than calling a shove with it.