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mersenneary's picture
Discussion Thread for Jamming Expectation Against a Frequent Button Opener 20bb Deep


hennerz1's picture

Very solid concepts thanks dude!However I have to ask how you came up with this table?Only becasue I use the 3bet shove calculator provided in the free tools section of the site and this shows a much higher expectation 3bet shoving many more hands. 

mersenneary's picture
Quick response just to make

Quick response just to make sure you get one - are the opening/calling ranges assumed the same/similar?

ingveZ's picture
Regarding to folding vs calling/shoving

In a position where you have J3s and will get -1 bb by folding, and lets say -3 bb by calling and lets say -0,2 bb of shoving.
You all say that it is best to shove then. But you know that your player is opening alot, so the next hand you have a chance of getting a hand with much more value in it. 20% of the times I get a hand that gives me about 10-20 bb+ by re shoving?

I am not shure if there is been done some calculation about this, but I would rather fold and loose -1bb if that means that on average will I earn 1 bb next hand. Because that means I will earn on average 0.8 bb on those two hands together.
What do you people think? Is my thought prosess wrong?


cdon3822's picture
There are no ICM

There are no ICM considerations in HUSNGS. 
Therefore chipEV ~ $EV. 
You should maximise your expectation on every hand to maximise your long term expectation.
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