Greetings,I'm writing with respect to a health-related consequence of playing online poker. I recently developed tingling in my index finger and thumb as a function of clicking my wireless mouse. I immediately put on a wrist brace that I used to use as a data-coder. In the past, I've racked up several work-related and computer-related injuries including ulnar nerve neuropathy, brachial plexus injuries, and minor carpal tunnel. Any time you engage in repetive motion activities you subject yourself to some risk of damaging your limbs. And the risk is compounded as time passes. This topic has came up on the 2+2 boards from time to time, but for the most part people seem to remain silent about this real liability of playing online poker.I've done several rounds of physical therapy and try to take preventative measures so I don't aggravate pre-existing issues or create new ones. For example, I use an ergonomic keyboard, have my monitor adjusted so I don't strain my neck, and wear sunglasses to avoid migraines. Also, I do a series of stretching exercises and use a ther-a-band. But above and beyond that, I'm wondering if anybody else has these issues and how they allay their symptoms. For many younger online poker enthusiasts, this might seem irrelevant. When I was in my twenties, I never even considered the possibility of damaging my hands. However, these conditions often take time to develop-so after several years of extensive computer use you might start to see symptoms. Feedback would be appreciated,Jeffrey
Good thread. When I saw the title I thought another spam bot got through, heh.I don't have many answers. My hands hurt sometimes, but not badly enough to cause any major concern or hinderance. It's something that I should probably look at sooner than later though, so I'm curious to hear other input too.This seems like a growing industry as well, for any of you business savvy individuals out there.
I just had carpal tunnel operation a week ago :-( Soon I'll have an opeation on my other hand.
if you dont have the money for ergonomic stuff , look video of poker , and hope win it after I approve this message :) Edit : Battery is shit , take a set whit charger ...
I had this kind of troubles with my right hand; the situation has dramaticaly improved with an ergonimic mouse pad.Another thing I often do during the day is to use my left hand to control the mouse...this allows the right hand to be less stressed.
I use a HandShoe mouse with a large WOWPAD and it solved all my hand/wrist problems. With normal mice, I got tingling or numbness sometimes and an uncomfortable feeling in general. Although, I've never had severe pain.
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it comes up when i am under a lot of stress or when i mass multitable for extended periods.
I have been trying to find this link since this tread started.http://www.pokercontrols.com/Has anyone tried this device. If it works as advertised seems like it should help those of us who play poker. Who is willing to be the test subject and let us know if it helps.PaulIB_FishingCurious about this device, but not enough to be the first person to own one
Greetings,I just wanted to acknowledge some of the responses and express my thanks for the feedback I’ve received.Ryan, I got a kick out of your comment about a potential spam-bot. By day I pimp ergonomics and by night I sell miracle spring water ;-)Sawwee, I wish you the best of luck with both of your operations. I had a doctor who had severe carpal tunnel. He had the surgery in both hands and I had to interrogate him and find out whether or not it worked. At the time I was seriously contemplating surgery for ulnar nerve neuropathy, so my interest level prompted me to ask him a few questions. He told me the surgery was an absolute success and in general, the procedure has a great success rate. Of course, anecdotal accounts don’t prove much. You’ll have to keep us posted on whether or not you’re still having symptoms after the surgery.Boulasses, I think you’ve identified my problem. The issue is that I’m too cheap and cash-strapped to actually pay for top-of-the-line ergonomics, hence I want to win the money at the poker tables. Unfortunately, the long-term consequences of trying to win the ergonomic equipment are so substantial that I’m better off scraping together whatever petty cash I can find before playing. Basically, I’m losing money (based on future health costs) and value (painful sensations and anxiety) by playing at my level. That is, if I don’t take immediate action to mitigate the threats posed to my hands by playing online poker.Kaiserzozz, thanks for recommending an ergonomic mouse pad. I’m currently using an ergonomic Microsoft keyboard, which is a Godsend. I also have an ergonomic mouse, but I’ve never looked at an ergonomic mouse pad. I’m going to have to pick one up the next time I go shopping for electronics. Also, thanks for the suggestion to alternate hands. I recently placed my laptop on top of a stand and made its monitor parallel with my eyes. My wireless keyboard is on its own table and now I have a lot more room to move my hands. And, I can alternate my hands whenever I choose. This has resulted in a modest improvement and I enjoy playing a lot more.Chipleader, thanks for the two recommendations (I.e. handshoe mouse and WOWPAD). I’ll have to do some online research. Last weekend I bought a new ergonomic mouse. It was a stationary mouse that had a trackball, which was manipulated with the thumb. This was a horrible alternative as it felt awkward to manipulate and quickly made my thumb sore. Over time, I suspect this mouse would simply create a new kind of trauma. I’m not sure how the handshoe mouse works, but I’ll do some research. Thank you.Piratematerial, I’ve also noticed my hands hurt under the exact same conditions you specified. I think stress simply amplifies the problem as I’m more prone to tense my muscles and probably make more exaggerated mouse movements. A little meditative mindfulness can go along ways in playing w/ less stress.IB_fishing, thanks for the link to that innovative poker controller. I wasn’t aware there was such a product on the market, especially one that is popular enough to be sold by several major retailers. The price point was very reasonable. Also, I liked the fact that it is wireless and has numerous functions. My only reservation would be that the controller could conceivably replace one type of trauma with a new one.Thank you,Jeffrey aka REBTgenius
"Ryan, I got a kick out of your comment about a potential spam-bot. By day I pimp ergonomics and by night I sell miracle spring water"I had you pegged as an ergonomics salesman all along!