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RyPac13's picture
Give me a reason not to call...

This is a hand from a $220+10 turbo on Stars.

Villain is a slight winner in husngs with a low sample size and avg stake somewhere around 70-120.

Up until this point he's shown the ability to slowplay one or more streets but hasn't been particularly aggressive nor has he shown any extreme tendencies.

 Seat 1: villain (1430 in chips) 
 Seat 2: RyPac13 (1570 in chips) 
 RyPac13: posts small blind 15
 villain: posts big blind 30
 *** HOLE CARDS ***
 Dealt to RyPac13 [Qs As]
 RyPac13: raises 60 to 90
 villain: calls 60
 *** FLOP *** [Ts 3d Qd]
 villain: checks 
 RyPac13: bets 120
 villain: calls 120
 *** TURN *** [Ts 3d Qd] [7d]
 villain: bets 120
 RyPac13: calls 120
 *** RIVER *** [Ts 3d Qd 7d] [3h]
 villain: bets 1100 and is all-in

seeya's picture
It seems, that this man have

It seems, that this man have a FLush, and he is so tilty or smth, that when he saw that river card (full house chance), he decided to push it=)  Like his flush has  been beaten some time before=)
 
 


RyPac13's picture
I left out one bit of

I left out one bit of possibly important information.
He shoved the river quickly.  Not like snap insta shove, but within 3-5 seconds.  Definitely fast given what the river card was, imo.

WBR's picture
I think we can only beat

I think we can only beat busted draw here, like KJo (with king of diamonds). That can explain his strange turn bet as "blocking bet" with combo-draw. 
However, I dont know how he plays draws OOP. I believe most regulars would c/r on flop.
I elect fold, because I dont see other hands he can turn on bluff, and dont think he will value-shove something weaker then our hand.
 

xSCWx's picture
Fold

1100/(660 in pot + 1100 from his bet + 1100 from your call) = .3846
You need to win this 38.5% to call.
Given your description of the villain, you are only really beating a bluff and I can't imagine that this guy is shoving 2x the size of the pot as a bluff more than 38% here. I think fold is best by a long shot.

RyPac13's picture
Ok, I ended up folding but

Ok, I ended up folding but I couldn't think of any logical reason why I wasn't calling.
I guess the default in this spot should be to fold unless you have a reason to call (such as, this guy can bluff and his line makes no sense for most hands that beat me) or something of that nature.
 
It looks like I did make the correct decision, however, I was just unclear why I should fold here.

lovelydonk's picture
full house

that's what he had i think... TTT +33 (full house... if I were the vilain...i would shove all in on the river cause I would think u catched ur flush Q high top kicker or 333's so I would fold as well specially when u said he slow plays a bit.
 
nice play
lovelydk

cymonguk's picture
my HO

I reckon villain has TQ, would explain the preflop call, decides to slow play with the two diamonds though. He puts you on the flush draw
 
The turn comes bad with the diamond, so he chips at the pot to see where he is, you call which suggests you dont have a flush
 
the river comes no flush but the 3 is scary, but he doesn't place you on that for whatever reason, and expects you are playing busted draw, therefore pushes his two pair

sbarber's picture
There are a couple of hands

There are a couple of hands that might have taken this up until the turn that had you beat, but the river shove just seems way out of line.  I mean your turn call doesn't make you look very strong, but it shows you at least have a decent draw or a hand that's trying to get to showdown cheaply.  So when he shoves, your draws insta fold, and your cheap showdown hands insta fold.  Nothing you could have held on the turn got there, except perhaps a hand like QQ/TT that feared the flush (?), and even then those hands will shove over a small river bet anyway.  

I'm not saying this is never a flush or 33 trying to look bluffy, as he knows you'll have a showdown hand often here.  But surely if you'd called a turn, you are rarely folding to a smallish river bet on this dry board, but will insta fold to a shove.

At the $11 level I'd just let this go, as it looks like he's trying to retrieve lost value, but for a decent $220 level player, I really think he was hoping for a fold here, and there are a few hands that could have played up until the river like this, including J9, KJ, T9, T7, QdJh, AdTs, etc, etc etc.

What do you think?

HU SNG noob