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DntCaltACmBk's picture
Help: Most of my games last 15-20 minutes or more

Thanks to Radeh for pointing out what could be a potential problem with my game. My matches don't usually last 25 minutes like I had said in an earlier thread, but usually more than 15. I play turbos on Stars and 9 times out of 10 I'm making it to the 50/100 level and often enough it's hitting 75/150.

I have a hand history from last night that I think best exemplifies my typical HU game. If you read this HH, you know how I play. I would love to get some leak finders on the case here. What is the best way to post a visual hand history? It's been months for me since I've played so I forget what all the web sites are to do that.

Radeh's picture
Pokerhandsreplayer I'll have

Pokerhandsreplayer

I'll have a look if you upload your HH.

I think something that might really help you, is to read Spamz0r's "endgame" article on 2+2. Also, once you get bellow 12BB effective stacks, just use the NASH table for pushing ranges, and adapt your calling range depending on villain's tendencies. Do NOT use the Nash chart for calling ranges, because it won't be optimal if the villain diverts from the Nash pushing range...which most villains do.

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Marzipannase's picture
What is an average duration

What is an average duration of the Stars Turbos? Mine is 12 min and I feel like my matches last too long, too.
I guess the problem isn`t the endgame its more the 25/50 level with 15-25 BB deep where others probably finish more matches because they are much more aggressive.

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DntCaltACmBk's picture
The HH

Check it, would definitely appreciate feedback. I think my aggression is pretty high?

http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/multihands.php/id/12597

Radeh's picture
Not badly played imo...but

Not badly played imo...but you shove a bit too tightly when 3-6BB deep. For example, that 104o hand is an easy shove at 2.5BB.

Also, make sure you bet paired flops more often against a guy like this, and if you decide to 3bet at ~16BB, don't do it with K7, but rather hands like 89s imo. A few times you bet in spots where only better hands will call you, or called when you were clearly beat. Like when you had bottom pair (33) on a suuuuper drawy board and the guy calls your turn bet, and then donks into you on the river once all flush/straight draws came in...you're almost never ahead in a situation like that.

I'll rewatch it later once I have more time ;)

I started having a nash table open while I play, and it definitely improved my game. Just stick to it when it comes to shoving ranges.

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DntCaltACmBk's picture
Thanks Radeh - see anything

Thanks Radeh - see anything that could explain why my matches last too long? I think my aggression is at a good level, maybe it's just that curse of bad luck that a witch doctor put on me at birth.

I have started keeping the Nash chart open as well, though I often adjust to my opponents - i.e. a lot of times I know I'm getting called lighter so I'll shove tighter

Radeh's picture
I'll go over your HH again

I'll go over your HH again tomorrow, maybe the pros on this site can give you tips in the meantime. I just checked again, and in the last 580 games, the average duration of a turbo game was 10.5min.

I very rarely adjust my Nash pushing range though. I think bellow 7BB, you shouldn't really divert from it at all...there's just no room to manouvre anymore.

Something I started playing with lately is to minraise instead of 3x. This allows you to stab for cheap, call PF 3bets lighter, double barrel more often, and generally seems to turn villains mad. Most don't adapt to minraising correctly. They either call too light and are forced to play more pots OOP (which is great), or fold too much and you pick up a ton of blinds (which is also great). Also, a ton of villain get annoyed at your stabbing after a while, and tend to spazz out...which also shortens the length of the matches.

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RyPac13's picture
Radeh, you should have

Radeh, you should have already asked him this!

What is your sample size?

In the short term (20-100 games) you might see a bigger difference in average game length, but over time it seems almost everybody in Stars turbos is around 11 minutes per game average at the $55-110 stakes.

Radeh's picture
Yes, good point...epic fail

Yes, good point...epic fail on my part ;)

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DntCaltACmBk's picture
Maybe sample size is too

Maybe sample size is too small - just been getting feet wet again and not keeping dedicated records. Once I start doing that I'll divided my number of games played by hours played.... Though I don't have anything that actually records my avg. match length. On a mac and only software is poker co-pilot

HappyFish's picture
When I play a fish my

When I play a fish my matches longer beacuse then i am playing a more carefully I am playing on cake same (structure as full tilt)
But 2 min levels vs the fish my games are like 13-18 min to long or should the games vs fishy players be longer?