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HEM - EV in SnGs

Hi Guys,

I know how HEM works when calculating the EV in cashgames, but I am not sure how they do it in SnGs.

Probably they give the chips a value in $ and do it like a normal cashgame? Example: $1500 HU SnG so you start with 1500 chips and each chip has a $1 value.

How accurate is this, because I am at a point where in run nice into the minus and the EV curve is going upwards a lot. My ROI on the 155 SnGs at $50 I played so far is now -1.1%, according to HEM it should be 4.1% EV adj. Probably I am just running terrible, all the worst fish suck out on me all day long.

However, I think about coaching or at least finde someone for a user to user coaching, to share experience and to discuss reads and moves, to hear some other opinions.

I am aware the fact that 155 games is like nothing and variance is the name of the enemy, but from the psychological aspect I always get to this point where I say "All I do is wrong, I cannot beat the fish, so I am the fish." Then I consider to play Omaha, FR NL or something else...

Who is a good coach for a fair $/h rate that has experience with such psycho's like me? :)

Happy Holidays!

ratex's picture
I'd like to now that too!

I'd like to now that too!

beatmeupaa's picture
Come on guys, where is the love?

no one?

xSCWx's picture
There is only one payout in

There is only one payout in HUSNGs, so your chips are basically worth a cash value (your optimal plays in HUSNG are the same as if you were XXBB deep in a cash game). This is different from STTs where you can potentially place in a higher position if you play tight someone else can go out in a higher position.

I don't know much about HEM, but I would imagine that if the EV works for cash games that it would work fine for HUSNGs as well. I think you should be putting your focus into playing instead of analyzing EV though!

beatmeupaa's picture
I am not going to analyze

I am not going to analyze my EV a lot, definitely a waste of time. But sometimes, when you are just loosing 5-6 games in a row and you start loosing your confidence it just helps a bit to see that you are running way under ur EV. Sure, I can make right decissions against a villain and those decissions turn out to be -EV in that spot so EV alone will not tell me if my play was correct or not.

Happy New Year!

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$50 SnG's - 14 buyin under

$50 SnG's - 14 buyin under EV right now - is that normal? How are you guys running, under or over EV, how much? Would be interesting to know.
Sucks if you should be winning, instead you loose like every game.

xSCWx's picture
I have like 25% ROI in

I have like 25% ROI in $5500s and I'm still down more than $20k EV lifetime in HEM. I have no idea what is normal.

JSpazz's picture
I guess you ran lots of

I guess you ran lots of successful bluffs but you've been sucked out on when you had a good hand

xSCWx's picture
I realized that I worded

I realized that I worded that really poorly. The $20k I'm down lifetime in EV isn't just in $5500s, it is overall. I figured I would throw it out there because someone was asking what to expect. I don't really know what is normal but that's where I am.

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Well bluffs cannot effect

Well bluffs cannot effect the EV as the EV of a fold = 0. Obviously it will calculate for each hand that goes to showdown the EV, that might be either 100% winning (you bet on the river and you have the best hand and get called) 100% loosing (you bet/call and you loose) or a equity based hand where you are all in before the river.

Obviously only those equity based hands will alter the EV graph according to luck. So if you loose a lot of 50:50 situations, you will be under EV, if you win more than you should you will be over EV.

In my case right now my ROI is -2.2% (lost $480), my EV graph says according to EV I should have +1.5% (won $320). So if that EV is calculated correctly I am running very bad. 

That is why I asked, I mean if this EV is bullshit and does not make sense at all at SNGs I would worry a lot. If the EV is correct I still worry, but less than I would do otherwise hance I am a winning player already (and i still have a long long way to go to get good).

Hope you got my point.