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cruz's picture
how to play overcards and gutshot on a drawheavy board?

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Villain was really agressive preflop and made a contibet on every board

SB (t1640)
Hero (BB) (t1360)

Hero's M: 45.33

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, 7
SB bets t60, Hero calls t40

Flop: (t120) 3, 5, 2(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets t80, Hero raises to t240, SB raises to t600, Hero raises to t1300 (All-In), SB calls t700

Turn: (t2720) 9(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2720) 9(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t2720

 

altough i am getting 1.5:1 and i got around 40% equity against a 5 or a 3 i think its a fold after his raise?!

soulouri's picture
If you're going to play the

If you're going to play the hand just flat the flop, personally i'd fold and find better spots, don't really want to be playing a big pot OOP on a gutshot which might be no good anyway.
As played I think it was a big spew, you definately do not want to be getting chips in on this flop because you're not beating anything and you're a considerable dog to pretty much anything he could have here.
Edit: my standard line here is to fold on the flop, but I might call if there was a spade on the board and I thought I could get paid off if I hit something.

cruz's picture
allright, i should stop

allright, i should stop tilting ;)

jackoneill's picture
You're a dog even against naked flush-draws

If I consider making a move on this board, then with something like AdQd etc.
 
I just stoved a few hands and realized that you're even behind most Flush-Draws, your equity can go as low as 32% (Ad7d) and surprisingly, you only have roughly 38-40% equity against a naked flush-draw.
 
This was also surprising to me at first, but after stoving a few more hands, I realized what's going on - any naked flush-draw either has two overcards to your 7 or it's either blocking one of your straight-outs or giving them more straight-outs, both the 4d and the 6d are bad for you if one of them is in your opponent's hands, giving him 59.7% (4d) / 61.8% (6d) equity against your hand..
 
So you're a huge dog against hands like Td4d or Jd6d and it also doesn't help if you're holding AsKs - even AsKs is a 47% dog against the naked flush-draw Qd8d.
 
The reason is simply that you don't have any pair - every naked flush-draw has 15 Outs against you, 9 to make a flush and 6 to make a pair.  With AsKs, you're only slightly ahead against KdXd where X is a 7, 8, 9, T, J or Q.
 
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xSCWx's picture
I like flatting the flop

I like flatting the flop here too. I would like the raise more if the effective stacks were significantly shorter. WIth the stacks this deep the range that he comes over the top of you with has you crushed and I don't think the fold equity you gain from the raise is worthwhile.

cruz's picture
ok i understand. i just read

ok i understand. i read in another forum an article how to play hu sngs and the writer said,
if i have 2 overs and a gutshot i stick it in, but now i think this is wrong spot for that ;)
somehow i have to delete this from my brain ^^