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How wide (& types of hands) are you calling a NAI 3b readless first hand of hyper?

No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players

$3.40+$0.10

Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter

SB Hero 500  
BB kinkladze030 500  

Effective Stacks: 25bb

Blinds 10/20

Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)

Hero is SB

sTsK

Hero raises to 40, kinkladze030 raises to 100, Hero calls 60

Flop (200, 2 players)

d7cTc6

kinkladze030 bets 90, Hero goes all-in 400, kinkladze030 goes all-in 310

Turn (1000, 2 players, 2 all-in)

dA

River (1000, 2 players, 2 all-in)

dT

Final Pot: 1000

Hero shows three of a kind, Tens

sTsK

kinkladze030 shows two pair, Aces and Tens

cAcJ

Hero wins 1000 ( won +500 )

kinkladze030 lost -500

RyPac13's picture
I think you played this hand

I think you played this hand well. At the $3.50s, I believe it would be a leak to fold KTs there preflop, you're going to get 3bet wide enough vs the avg opponent that it is a good call. There's always a spew factor first hand as well, where your opponent is spewing x% more of the time (tilted guy just lost a hand he was a favorite in, someone just messing around, someone trying to establish aggression/chip lead... it happens enough to keep in mind).

cdon3822's picture
I hadn't considered the spew factor. Thanks.

I hadn't considered the first hand spew factor. It is really valuable to find out about these population mental leaks that are picked up heuristically. Thanks.
 
This hand stands out in my memory because it got me thinking about flatting NAI 3b @ various effective stacks with hands that derive a lot of their preflop equity from how they flop. That is, their flop HvR equity is extremely polarised between very strong and very weak. 
I've been exploring capturing implied value donated by the population's tendency to always cbet in 3b pots. 
I think there's scope to find implied expectation with respect two common spots in hyper turbos:
1. Flatting NAI 3b 20-25BB with a plan to jam over the subsequent cbet when EV(g(e,fe)) > EV(fold to 3b)
2. Flatting vs contracted inducing ranges 8-13BB that don't have enough FE to profitably 3b jam but can be played profitably postflop by taking advantage of cbet frequencies and low pot-committment thresholds @ low effective stacks. 
 
When I have a bit more time, I'm hoping to run some 2 street simulations to answer the question I initially posed here: which hands can be profitably flatted vs NAI 3b? 
Then explore the follow up questions:
- Under which conditions does 4b jamming have better expectation?
- How do the above vary as villain adds more 3b bluffs to his range?