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HT 1.50$ Weird hand + math calculations (help)

No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players

$1.44+$0.06

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BB Villian 610  
SB Hero 390  

Effective Stacks: 20bb

Blinds 10/20

Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)

Hero is SB

sQc6

Hero raises to 40, BB calls 20

Flop (80, 2 players)

s5sKhQ

BB checks, Hero bets 40, BB raises to 80, Hero calls 40

Turn (240, 2 players)

sA

BB goes all-in 490, Hero goes all-in 270

River (780, 2 players, 2 all-in)

d5

Final Pot: 780

BB shows a pair of Fives

c9s6

Hero shows two pair, Queens and Fives

sQc6

Hero wins 780 ( won +390 )

BB lost -390

 

First off If someone could be nice and help me out with these math calculations, just wanna make sure that I have them right

call/Pot(after call)=% I need to be right

270/780= 34%

Assuming he has a pair higher than my queen, I have 28.79% equity, so a call is a no-no. Are these calculations accurate?

Now to his range, and correct me if I'm wrong, shouldn't be many As in his range since he just flatted pre, and if he had a king in this spot which isn't unlikely, why would he ship the ace? same with flush dunno why he would ship if he had a flush here since he usually wouldn't get value from worse, and if he had a flush here it would be a weak one, since AsKs is on the table and I have Qs, and I doubt he would min.check-raise with a weak FD with no overpairs. I just thought he was pretty polarized in this spot.

Just some thoughts, I'm still not sure I made the right call here if someone could help me out I'd be grateful. Especially if someone could help me narrow his range and tell me if I'm doing something wrong or could inprove in my range speculations I'd be more than grateful.

Thank you

EDIT: I guess he could have JsTs, the check-raise would make sense for value since he's ahead of TP but shipping the turn with this hand doens't still doesn't make any sense imo. And I don't know why he would check-raise so small with such a strong hand, because all my air is folding anyways and a Q and K is calling wheather he makes it 80or 100-120. Maybe he's afraid of being check shoved by a stronger draw, Qsx but there are far more cominations of Kx, Qx, in my range so it shouldn't be much of a concern. There are about 4-times as much combinations of Kx than there are FD in my range, assuming that I raise Ak-k2 at this stack-depth.

EDIT 2: Actually, there are only 7 combinations of flushes in my range which contains a Q and about 114 combinations of Kx, sure on the flop he's still worried about As but still doesn't change much probability wise.

I guess there's also the possibility that he check-raises to induce, but are there any instances where he then would shove the river? So that he would check-raise the flop with like Kx, JsTs, two-pair type hands, and then just open-ship the turn?

Also, assuming he has a weak FD on the flop, is there any argument making a nai c/r rather than c/c or c/s. I don't know if the c/c is ever acceptable(maybe someone could help me out here) but a checkshove would give max fold equity but I guess there's also the counter argument that aren't getting worse to call since Kx, Qx, are ahead. In these type of spots would it be better to c/r nai or c/c three streets(given the sizing is appropriate)? Now when I think about it it would probably better to turn our hand into a semi-bluff in these type of spots. If we check-raise nai and get shoved it's a fold knowing we don't have enough equity to continue against any value range. But if we get called our opponent is most likely to have a Qx, or some weak draw, which probably folds to a second or third barrel. And if we choose the c/c line then there's the problem that our opponent can make the sizing on later streets too big so we can't make a profitable call.

I'd be more then grateful if someone could point out if I'm doing something wrong when I try to narrow his range/speculate and how I can improve.

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My take

SB = 0.5 BB
BB = 1.0 BB
P0 = 1.5 BB
Hero min raises 1.5 BB
P1 = (1.5 + 1.5) = 3.0 BB
Villain calls 1.0 BB
P2 = (3.0 + 1.0) = 4.0 BB
Villain checks
Hero cbets 0.5P = 2.0 BB
P3 = (4.0 + 2.0) = 6.0 BB
 
*Pretty standard to this point then we get c/r really small
Villain c/r 4.0 BB
P4 = (6.0 + 4.0) = 10.0 BB
So we need to call (4.0 - 2.0) = 2.0 BB to buy our equity in a pot of:
P5 = (10.0 + 2.0) = 12.0 BB
We need 2.0 / 12.0 = 17% equity to continue vs this c/r.
So what is villain's c/r range?
Typical c/r candidates in this spot: value[2pair +, Kx], semibluffs [OESD (JT), flush draws]
 
His bet size is so small and there are probably enough semi-bluffs in his range that you can call here and reevaluate on the turn with the advantage of position. 
 
*Ok so now it gets weird
The turn card is the worst card in the deck for you => every semi bluff card hit and you are now behind his entire estimated flop c/r range.
BUT, he takes an unexpected line => he jams.
Why would he jam rather than bet a size to give you room to come over the top or continue with worse hands?
You can level yourself into calling but it's not going to be profitable in my opinion.
He jams the turn 13.5 BB
Making it 13.5 to buy your equity share of (13.5 + 13.5 + 12.0) = 39.0 BB
To breakeven on this call you need 13.5 / 39.0 = 35% equity
He needs to have an approx 1:2 bluff to value range here for you to call => which we can't put him because the bluff part of his range on the flop improved to strong value hands on the turn. 
 
The hand he turns up with makes his bet size make some sense (maximise fold equity by jamming) but I'm not calling here on the off-chance that villain is capable of running massive spewtard multi-street bluffs with practically zero equity.
 
Needless to say, after you decided to call, this hand now constitutes that exact read and should be noted.
 
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