Hey guys
I joined this website to get back into husngs, since they are the game that made me my first $2000 consistent profit streak in poker a few years ago. After a long break, I managed to beat similar stakes at a similar ROI for almost 800 games now. But if you're killing $7 husngs, there is still no such thing as hourly rate that has any meaning in your life.
I saw a video about isildur1 who is considered the best heads up cash player in the world. How on earth can it be so that somebody who starts with a $600 bankroll to play $3-$6, has millions of dollars 3 weeks later? He's playing a 8 buy in strategy heads up or something? If I try that in small husngs I can reload sooner or later, no matter how big my edge is.
What I want to know is.. let's say I beat $7 husngs at 10% ROI and start with a $200 bankroll. How many games (and how much time) do you assume it will take for me to move up to $15, and if my ROI there is 7%, up to $30 etc.
I'm running at 7% ROI which would have been higher if I hadn't tilted in so many games. But I feel like I am totally wasting my time and it's not leading anywhere.
I took shots in heads up cash with the profits, and ran really bad. I also felt outplayed sometimes in the sense that I should be bluffcatching slightly profitably, but I can not afford to lose a 100bb stack. If that hadn't happened I could have moved up to $10 and $15 by now. In husngs you're mainly playing 30bb and lower, so there isn't so much space for creativity. In heads up cash, I felt like I can make a bluffcatching rivercall which is correct at least 50% of the times, but I simply can not afford to lose my whole stack. Which must be extremely exploitable, and I feel like that is why I have no edge in those deeper stacked games.
I think I'm wasting my time with husngs and should be playing lower variance full ring games because husngs don't allow you to make a load of money quickly. Thoughts are welcome
Isildur has probably used degenerate type bankroll management over the years. The type that 99 out of 100 people that use go broke with (even some good players).
I think you're looking at some of this a little differently than you should though. If you look at the sharkscope leaderboards, you see a lot of HUSNG guys just crushing it. You should be focused on the long term (even this year, 10 months is not long term, but so many have made a lot of money if you look at those leaderboards).
If you're just trying to make a ton in the very short term, I think you'll be looking at only part of the picture. For example, you can win a lot in MTTs very quickly, but you also will go on big droughts too.
I would focus more on what is very profitable AND realistic for a smart, hard working person. Looking at what Isildur does and trying to replicate it down to bankroll management I think is not the best way to look at it. He might be one of the top few heads up cash game players in the world, he's sponsored by the largest online poker company in the world, there's a lot of things that just aren't realistic for 99.9% of players to look at and compare to themselves.
That doesn't mean cash games are bad to play, but I would look at structures such as zoom (FR, 6 max) that have a lot of fish in them. HUSNGs are another format with a lot of fish action, as are MTTs. Those are the 3 games that I think are probably best to look at right now. 6 max hyper turbo SNG is not a bad format either, but I still think it's pretty small compared to HUSNGs even.
I know that what you say is true. Don't be result oriented and think of the long run.. But unfortunately most landlords don't have long term payment plans for properties. I just wonder if what I'm doing with poker is gonna lead somewhere.
The situation is that I'm in my mid 20s and just graduated. I have about $16k in savings left, and there's a heritage coming up in my family for at least the same amount on my behalf, probably more. Not that I'm rooting for any of my beloved grandparents to die, but I know they care about my future.
Now I've been traveling abroad for 2 years and it's simply not realistic (yet?) to play poker constantly to pay bills. Even if I was good enough and played high enough to make a decent hourly rate, I couldn't play more than 5 hours per day because it just makes me grumpy (+ play worse) and people react to me being in my room for this long.
So the ideal plan, which I will start with in january next year, is that I work as a teacher in Thailand (my current residence) which allows me to make close to $1000 per month, and play some poker on the side. I don't have to worry about bills cause they're covered by the teaching job anyway. It's not a ton of money but it's enough to cover my expenses in this country. Whatever I make with poker are savings, so there's not much pressure that way
I just feel as if I am totally wasting my time with $7 husngs and I should be playing $15 and higher to make an hourly rate that makes a difference in life. But edges will get thinner, swings will get bigger and I doubt if I can handle that.. I have a feeling that variance is lower in full ring cash games, and I should be focusing on those because I can play a lot more tables without giving up too much edge.
I can 6 table full ring cash games without playing significantly worse, because every pre flop spot is a pretty easy decision and usually I'm not involved in a hand on more than 2 of 6 tables simultaneously. In husngs this is impossible and there's a lot more stuff to pay close attention to. So for my hourly rate I think it must be a better idea to 6 table $20 full ring cash games, compared to one tabling similar stakes heads up. But I have no experience to back that up
i would try sh/fr zoom tables then.