I believe they have the iPoker 1500 chip super turbos, where the blinds start at 10-20 and rise every 2 minutes.I'm told that they are changing their super turbo structure, but definitive information is not currently available.
The supers on iPoker are 1500 stacks and 1 minute blinds starting at 10/20 but the rake is pretty savage at 5%The players are terrible for the most part but even so to get a really good rakeback deal (60%+) on iPoker you usually need to be raking at least 4k/month which is 1600 games/month, if you lose at 1% with 60% rb thats only $1600/month. Since the players are equally bad at $50 turbos on ipoker I'd definitely reccommend sticking to turbos
id defenetaly recommend not even playing in ipoker until they add fair structures so they stop sticking to those shity structures and hear us for once thanks.
Yea when the "best case" is like 50 cents a game post rakeback at the $50 level, only one party wins (the casino). And that's exactly what it becomes when you offer such poor structures, a casino.Tell them you like poker structures, not casino structures.Anger aside over these atrocious structures and really poorly planned rake rates, I was actually told by a skin rep that they are pushing a structure we talked about to iPoker/playtec in hopes that it will be implemented in the near future.If what we talked about happens, it would be a little deeper than the stars/ftp hyper-super structure, with similar rake and similar blind levels. I hope it happens but you never know with these things until they actually do it.
Ryan; I do not understand the complain about the 'casino structure'. Of course it is not nice...but, you gotta realize that William Hill is a Betting side with included Casino and that Poker is an 'add' to this main business. Since they have plenty of casino customers who wanna play poker just 4 fun, it is makes perfect sense to keep the casino structure. Furthermore it is interesting for them if they do not have regs who destroy the casino-guys, which is again an extra point for keeping it with a casino structure. While this is no good news for the 'real' Poker Players, it seems to fit perfectly into WHs business plan.
I dont think that WH guys or any other iPoker skin has there own rights to customize structure of particular game. I am prity sure that is in domain of ipoker network.
"Its true that swings at iPoker ST are huge, but with right volumen and the best RB deal, ST can become lucrative enough."Swings are huge because winrates for really good players are barely beating the rake. The absolute best case seems to be for high volume players that can get the best flat rb deal, but even then, why not just play Stars hypers, where you can make serious money even before the FPPs, which are worth 35%+ with that type of volume (as supernova, even in the 40-50% range if you're a real high volume player)? The 3% ROI and 35% of your rake back on Stars is definitely superior to 0% ROI and 50-65% of your rake back during an Ipoker bonus or flat deal type situation. Stars also has a lot more action in their games."I dont think that WH guys or any other iPoker skin has there own rights to customize structure of particular game. I am prity sure that is in domain of ipoker network. "They can and have offered unique structures on individual skins on Ipoker in the past. I believe they need playtec (owners of Ipoker who create the software and have a stake in some skins like WH I believe) to do the changes for them, but they can make unique structures. Paddys is the room where they had a unique ST structure for awhile, I spoke with them directly about some improvements and they were very receptive about it, and went as far to say that they would likely have the structure changed in a few days. Well that was many months ago, and the guy I was speaking to seems to have left, so we lost our advocate there for a better structure. The plan was to roll them out on Paddys, get more people playing them, then get other skins on board with making it a network wide change made by Ipoker/playtec. That's a great formula for success and probably exactly the type of thing a network wants their skins to come to them with (positive changes to structures supported by the community and individual skins). Unfortunately it hasn't worked out yet."Ryan; I do not understand the complain about the 'casino structure'. Of course it is not nice...but, you gotta realize that William Hill is a Betting side with included Casino and that Poker is an 'add' to this main business. Since they have plenty of casino customers who wanna play poker just 4 fun, it is makes perfect sense to keep the casino structure. Furthermore it is interesting for them if they do not have regs who destroy the casino-guys, which is again an extra point for keeping it with a casino structure. While this is no good news for the 'real' Poker Players, it seems to fit perfectly into WHs business plan."The complaint about this is because I am a poker player, this is a poker site, and when casinos run poker games it really hurts poker players. If a local hardware store added a cheap grocery section, and began taking over the business of regular grocery stores, I wouldn't like it either. That's sort of what happens here. Sites like Bodog roll out poor poker side policies that benefit their casino and sportsbook business, but take away from poker growth, fun and fairness.The part about regs destroying fish is not a benefit to fish, it's a benefit to the network/casino. Those fish that Bodog claims they "protect," just lose money to Bodog at a faster rate in the casino or sportsbook. They just would rather have 100% of the fish money in 1 week at the sportsbook or casino than 10% of the fish money for the month at the poker table (the other 90% going to another poker player).Bottom line, it's a conflict of interest. Poker rooms should be charging a rake and building fair structures, not becoming the opponent or player. PokerStars had it right in this regard, Full Tilt too. Good structures, fairly raked (obviously FTP's poor business decisions to float player funds, not segregate, etc. withstanding). But most of all, they did this without punishing winners, and they reaped the benefits of being massive places to play poker fairly.It's kind of like people who only do things in life that bring them huge edges/guaranteed money. They are leaving a lot on the table by not embracing relationships that sometimes require you to give up front, or more complex situations where making a short term -EV or neutral EV deal with one person leads to a big +EV deal in the future with another person. I hate casinos that offer poker and pretend to protect the fish, it's a delusional viewpoint at best.
I believe they have the iPoker 1500 chip super turbos, where the blinds start at 10-20 and rise every 2 minutes.I'm told that they are changing their super turbo structure, but definitive information is not currently available.
I guess you mean William Hill... They do have super turbos but the blinds rise every minute. :P
The supers on iPoker are 1500 stacks and 1 minute blinds starting at 10/20 but the rake is pretty savage at 5%The players are terrible for the most part but even so to get a really good rakeback deal (60%+) on iPoker you usually need to be raking at least 4k/month which is 1600 games/month, if you lose at 1% with 60% rb thats only $1600/month. Since the players are equally bad at $50 turbos on ipoker I'd definitely reccommend sticking to turbos
id defenetaly recommend not even playing in ipoker until they add fair structures so they stop sticking to those shity structures and hear us for once thanks.
Yea when the "best case" is like 50 cents a game post rakeback at the $50 level, only one party wins (the casino). And that's exactly what it becomes when you offer such poor structures, a casino.Tell them you like poker structures, not casino structures.Anger aside over these atrocious structures and really poorly planned rake rates, I was actually told by a skin rep that they are pushing a structure we talked about to iPoker/playtec in hopes that it will be implemented in the near future.If what we talked about happens, it would be a little deeper than the stars/ftp hyper-super structure, with similar rake and similar blind levels. I hope it happens but you never know with these things until they actually do it.
Its true that swings at iPoker ST are huge, but with right volumen and the best RB deal, ST can become lucrative enough.
Ryan; I do not understand the complain about the 'casino structure'. Of course it is not nice...but, you gotta realize that William Hill is a Betting side with included Casino and that Poker is an 'add' to this main business. Since they have plenty of casino customers who wanna play poker just 4 fun, it is makes perfect sense to keep the casino structure. Furthermore it is interesting for them if they do not have regs who destroy the casino-guys, which is again an extra point for keeping it with a casino structure. While this is no good news for the 'real' Poker Players, it seems to fit perfectly into WHs business plan.
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I dont think that WH guys or any other iPoker skin has there own rights to customize structure of particular game. I am prity sure that is in domain of ipoker network.
"Its true that swings at iPoker ST are huge, but with right volumen and the best RB deal, ST can become lucrative enough."Swings are huge because winrates for really good players are barely beating the rake. The absolute best case seems to be for high volume players that can get the best flat rb deal, but even then, why not just play Stars hypers, where you can make serious money even before the FPPs, which are worth 35%+ with that type of volume (as supernova, even in the 40-50% range if you're a real high volume player)? The 3% ROI and 35% of your rake back on Stars is definitely superior to 0% ROI and 50-65% of your rake back during an Ipoker bonus or flat deal type situation. Stars also has a lot more action in their games."I dont think that WH guys or any other iPoker skin has there own rights to customize structure of particular game. I am prity sure that is in domain of ipoker network. "They can and have offered unique structures on individual skins on Ipoker in the past. I believe they need playtec (owners of Ipoker who create the software and have a stake in some skins like WH I believe) to do the changes for them, but they can make unique structures. Paddys is the room where they had a unique ST structure for awhile, I spoke with them directly about some improvements and they were very receptive about it, and went as far to say that they would likely have the structure changed in a few days. Well that was many months ago, and the guy I was speaking to seems to have left, so we lost our advocate there for a better structure. The plan was to roll them out on Paddys, get more people playing them, then get other skins on board with making it a network wide change made by Ipoker/playtec. That's a great formula for success and probably exactly the type of thing a network wants their skins to come to them with (positive changes to structures supported by the community and individual skins). Unfortunately it hasn't worked out yet."Ryan; I do not understand the complain about the 'casino structure'. Of course it is not nice...but, you gotta realize that William Hill is a Betting side with included Casino and that Poker is an 'add' to this main business. Since they have plenty of casino customers who wanna play poker just 4 fun, it is makes perfect sense to keep the casino structure. Furthermore it is interesting for them if they do not have regs who destroy the casino-guys, which is again an extra point for keeping it with a casino structure. While this is no good news for the 'real' Poker Players, it seems to fit perfectly into WHs business plan."The complaint about this is because I am a poker player, this is a poker site, and when casinos run poker games it really hurts poker players. If a local hardware store added a cheap grocery section, and began taking over the business of regular grocery stores, I wouldn't like it either. That's sort of what happens here. Sites like Bodog roll out poor poker side policies that benefit their casino and sportsbook business, but take away from poker growth, fun and fairness.The part about regs destroying fish is not a benefit to fish, it's a benefit to the network/casino. Those fish that Bodog claims they "protect," just lose money to Bodog at a faster rate in the casino or sportsbook. They just would rather have 100% of the fish money in 1 week at the sportsbook or casino than 10% of the fish money for the month at the poker table (the other 90% going to another poker player).Bottom line, it's a conflict of interest. Poker rooms should be charging a rake and building fair structures, not becoming the opponent or player. PokerStars had it right in this regard, Full Tilt too. Good structures, fairly raked (obviously FTP's poor business decisions to float player funds, not segregate, etc. withstanding). But most of all, they did this without punishing winners, and they reaped the benefits of being massive places to play poker fairly.It's kind of like people who only do things in life that bring them huge edges/guaranteed money. They are leaving a lot on the table by not embracing relationships that sometimes require you to give up front, or more complex situations where making a short term -EV or neutral EV deal with one person leads to a big +EV deal in the future with another person. I hate casinos that offer poker and pretend to protect the fish, it's a delusional viewpoint at best.