I couldn't converter here so I'm gonna try to make as good as possible:$15 Hyper-turbo on stars, first hand of the match:Hero(Kh,Ks)Villain raises 20 to 40Hero calls 20flop: 6h 3s 5hhero check, villain bet 40, hero raises to 120, villain callsturn: Aspot: 320eff. stacks: hero(330), villain(350)What do you guys think is the best line here? Shove, check-call, bet-fold, check-fold? And which hands we have to put in his range in this situation?
what the vilain opening behavior? any stats? 1- What are the stack sizes? 2-PF, I would 3Bet KK. 3 On the turn, most of the time Villain will shove Ax PF. So he probably doesn't have any Aces. Except maybe AK AQ.also I would say any PP, but I think he would have shoved pre. so could be straight- straight draw. maybe a flush draw.I think I would bet/fold around 120 - 130.
obiwan, I will answer your thoughts:1- this hand was the 1st hand of the match so 500 stack size for both players, after flop raises it turned to be hero(330) villain(350).2- 3bet KK PF is not a bad idea but I have seen a lot of players folding to my 3bets and I think most of the time I will extract more chips from villain when I CR the flop and shove the turn.3- I disagree. We were both 25BB so I don't think villain is shoving Ax most of the time PF. I agree when you say he could have straight and flush draws, a made straight or like 2 overs and here is my main doubt: What is the best line here? I don't know if I am capable to bet/fold on this very wet board.
yeah, if its the first hand, Villain probably minraise Ax. So yeah It can be in his range.The fact that he call your CR, I am thinking more draws or maybe a pair and a good/top kickerIf you check, I think he will probably bet. Then I think you have 2 option, fold or raise.
3bet KK prefop and then follow up with a cbet. You can make it 80-100 chips preflop, but you need to get more value, the average opponent calls with many weaker hands. Trying to keep your opponent's range as wide as you can can backfire without a better reason than you give.Now if you really see guys folding a ton to 3bets early on, you should be 3betting a ton of hands. What's your overall 3bet %? Make sure your thoughts are consistent in these spots, so that you don't end up flatting KK because players fold a lot, but then not 3bet bluffing based on the same logic.Given the spot you got into in the hand above, I think I would check and not fold. Ax can be in his range, but there should be enough draws and weaker pairs that do very poorly against KK and can still bet when you check to make check/calling a shove (or check jamming a half pot type bet) ideal. Too strong to fold here, even with the Ax out.
Yeah I agree with you almost 100% but, if you agree with check/calling in this hand I don't know why you don't think a bet/calling is the best option because if you are assuming my hand is strong enough and there are a ton of draws and weaker pairs in his range we have to extract value from our hand as much as we can and just checking we are giving him a chance to see a free river. And, If this line is correct should I just shove the turn?
Actually, I think you're right about betting the turn.I was thrown off by the Ax and bluffs (Ax doesn't matter you stack off on it no matter what really, and bluffs are not really existent aside from semi bluffs, which will more often check without aggro reads).So yea, when you bet, you put the draws to a tougher decision (or force a mistake vs your hand more often, absent aggro/bluffy reads), you extract the full value from some weaker pairs some % of the time (even if a low %, it helps).
Thanks for the answers.