If you're talking about a 3x raise deep vs a minraise short, I subscribe to the thought process of calling when shorter more often vs that minraise.
- Our positional disadvantage is not as great as when we are OOP deep.
- We are getting much better odds vs a minraise than a 3x raise.
- We have better reads almost always by the time effective stacks are short than when they are deep.
If you're talking about K8o too, I would then definitely say short. K8s is defensible from a regular player to call OOP, at least in my mind, if they have a solid read they can exploit (weak player, bet size leaks, transparent actions, etc.). It helps because it can make the 2nd nut flush, which is always good deep (you can extract more bbs compared to the times you fold for a 6bb pot bc you're deep), but you can't do that with K8o. K8o would be a hand that is much weaker deep stacked than short in a husng OOP (generally speaking).
Now, on the flip side, I've heard players such as Croixdawg advocate calling K8s early compared to calling the minraise short.
In a few of his earlier videos (I think within the first 7 or so) he responds to a member asking questions similar to these. I respect Croix's opinion here but I also weight it a little bit differently. This is primarily because Croixdawg is an excellent hand reader, so there are many situations that are -EV even for a good solid winning player that can be made +EV by somebody of Croix's abilities. I'm not saying Croixdawg's comments only apply to high stakes, big winning regulars. I'm just saying that it's something to think about b/c a guy like Croix could probably play just about any hand OOP in a regular speed and still profit at high buyin levels.
If you're talking about a 3x raise deep vs a minraise short, I subscribe to the thought process of calling when shorter more often vs that minraise.
- Our positional disadvantage is not as great as when we are OOP deep.
- We are getting much better odds vs a minraise than a 3x raise.
- We have better reads almost always by the time effective stacks are short than when they are deep.
If you're talking about K8o too, I would then definitely say short. K8s is defensible from a regular player to call OOP, at least in my mind, if they have a solid read they can exploit (weak player, bet size leaks, transparent actions, etc.). It helps because it can make the 2nd nut flush, which is always good deep (you can extract more bbs compared to the times you fold for a 6bb pot bc you're deep), but you can't do that with K8o. K8o would be a hand that is much weaker deep stacked than short in a husng OOP (generally speaking).
Now, on the flip side, I've heard players such as Croixdawg advocate calling K8s early compared to calling the minraise short.
In a few of his earlier videos (I think within the first 7 or so) he responds to a member asking questions similar to these. I respect Croix's opinion here but I also weight it a little bit differently. This is primarily because Croixdawg is an excellent hand reader, so there are many situations that are -EV even for a good solid winning player that can be made +EV by somebody of Croix's abilities. I'm not saying Croixdawg's comments only apply to high stakes, big winning regulars. I'm just saying that it's something to think about b/c a guy like Croix could probably play just about any hand OOP in a regular speed and still profit at high buyin levels.