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jkl7645's picture
limp every button and bet every flop

how to deal with opponet who limp every button starting with 75BB ET and bet every flop either pot it or 1/2 pot it. so he is limping 100%of hands which include his strong hands and trash so it kind of hard to put him on any kind of range after the flop.i usually do not like to raise the when the ET is deep. so i am forced to play many small pot oop early. even with 30~50BB ET. just having such difficult time dealing with this kind of oppoent. is there any way to exploit this kind of tendency?any videos talking about it?

sioux_488's picture
If he is playing 100% of

If he is playing 100% of hands then very often will have nothing. It's tough because he's putting you in constant pressure while you're OOP. I would probably recommend keeping pots small OOP with marginal holdings, raising your value hands and see how he responds. Is he limp/calling? Limp/folding? If he is limp/calling 100% then you can get easy value when you make a big hand. And put him into bad spots when you have the button and take advantage of positional advantage. Kind of an annoying opponent to play, but you just can't tilt off your stack.

jkl7645's picture
he l/c about 75% when i do

he l/c about 75% when i do raise when we are deep and l/c less when we are around 3oBB Et. well i do not raise limp that often so i can not tell what hand he is l/c with. the thing is that he is kinda agro after the flop and i shard to put him on certain range. the flop can be T52r and he could hold 52o and stack my ATs after i raise 4xBB at 75BB eft. things like that.

sioux_488's picture
well yeah, you can't really

well yeah, you can't really do much about that, his benefit in playing such a wide range is that he can have more hidden hands like you're describing, but it depends on he plays them...so if he is passive postflop and then suddenly it seems he wants to get stacks in you might have to make a big fold. The downside to how he plays is that he will often have junk and have nothing, and you can abuse him on dry board textures where he just never is going to have a strong hand very often (K22, Q43, AA5, etc).

RyPac13's picture
If he's limping every hand

If he's limping every hand and betting every flop it's very easy to put him on a hand range, it's 100% of possible hand combinations. Focus more on general adjustments.  When you say he CAN have 52 when you have AT on a T52 board that's not very relevant to your play, the fact is he can also have T3, T4, T6, T7, T8, T9, JT, QT, KT. Try to find out how he reacts to raises, as mentioned earlier in this thread.  If he folds often, make sure you're bluffing boards quite often (particularly ones with less possible straight and flush draws).If he's calling your limps with 75% of his hands or so, value raise wide.  J9, JT, QJ, QT, KT, K9 are all great hands to raise his limps with, I'd go a little wider too (aside from the usual suspects, 77+ type stuff).It's hard to go any further without knowing how he reacts to a check raise (or even a lead, but primarily a CR), which you will often have some idea within 10 hands if you're properly adjusting.If you come across this opponent again, look to adjust this way and report back.  Or feel free to mention some tendencies this opponent had later on in the match you played and we can talk about some further adjustments.

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1. value raise wide.  J9, JT,

1. value raise wide.  J9, JT, QJ, QT, KT, K9 with 4x BB at 75BB ET? aren't we supposed to avoid playing big pot oop with maginal hands? i did tried to raise wider and when he flat pre and flat my cbet at flop when i miss. and turn i would check and have to give up.cos we do not connect the flop iften enough. do i continue to bluff and not give up as easily???. usually after losing couple of these kind of pot early i am down 2 to 1 in chips.2. do youn mean c/r limp pot more often mixing in with bluff on dry baord???

RyPac13's picture
1. It depends how you define

1. It depends how you define marginal.  In general this is a good rule, but if your opponent is limping every hand or many weak hands, especially if they will call with many weaker hands vs a raise, then a hand like K9 is not too marginal.I find that raising a lot of those higher card hands like K9 or JT by default vs a limp is a good strategy to have against the playerbase.  As always, as you gain information about your opponent, use that to make your decisions.2. Generally look to find situations where your opponent is weak.  If they bet every flop, boards that have less hands that can make pairs or good draws are more ideal to play back on (often with a check raise), since it's less likely they have a hand worth playing a pot with.Let me know if that makes sense to you.