Sometimes your question is more math-intensive, or maybe you just want a second opinion for a spot you think is really interesting. Feel free to post it here. I'll try to get to them, mostly on the weekends.-mers
Sometimes your question is more math-intensive, or maybe you just want a second opinion for a spot you think is really interesting. Feel free to post it here. I'll try to get to them, mostly on the weekends.-mers
Hi Mersenneary,Could you please help me to take a look at my general stats for Pokerstars super turbo? I just started learning this game and am struggling on it. It's ~280 games and 3600 hands in all. The game structure is the same as ftp ST HUSNGs, except for that we may play more hands(i'm not sure) in the same time as PS just have speeded card dealing and allin pot cards deal. Most of the hands(3140 out of 3600) are played in BB20&30. As this is pretty small sample, I will try to break the stats down in bb ranges if I have more games. I know it's not easy, but please try your best to tell me what do I need to improve on based on this limited information. I feel like I may have the problem of: too tight on BB, not limp enough, CB too much, too aggressive, not donk bet enough, too weak in turn and river, get in too many drawing dead pots,......I would appreciate advices from Greg and other fellow FastTrackers too.http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/813/statsta.png/
And another simple math question forwarded from my HH thread. Thank you for your time!Is the math here correct? http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/58/heads-up-nl/husng-theory-three-bet-... "This is 10.4% of hands. He's folding 1 - 10.4/66.7 = 84.4% of the time. You get 150 chips for free when this happens, so add 126.61 to your cEV for this move." "So the 15.6% of the time you are called, you're obviously a dog. Here's the loss in cEV for each scenario (equals 15.6%*1250 chips lost * (%lose -%win)):" As far as I know, he refers to 3x here. So the first one should be 200*0.844=168.8. The second one should be 15.6%*(lose 1200*%lose-win1300*%win). Is my understanding correct?
Could you do a math school for us?Lets say its 4 parts, with simpel math (ongame) to more advanced (postgame), and give us 10-20 hands to exersice on so we get the importence of math and doing it as a challenge aswell.
georgelongyun, it's really not about aggregate stats. Nothing looks glaring. It's about the spots you pick against different opponent types. I'm not sure if Insane Steve's math is correct there - pick a frame of reference, either is fine. You can say the BB is a sunk cost or you can talk about expectation from the start of the hand. Either is OK.
I'd advise reading through past articles and threads first, mrbambocha :). Especially the endgame math threads and the pot odds thread.
Ok, thanks for the advise, will do so ;)
Hypothetical Question (came up in a bar over the weekend):If someone doesn't know anything about math or endgame, like doesn't know which equity certain hands have against certain ranges, which equity shoving certain hands at certain stack depth have, etc. - all that stuff. But is very good post-flop. What's the maximum limit in Super Turbos that such a person could still beat ?Or to rephrase the question: to which extend can huge pre-flop leaks be compensated by a huge post-flop edge ?
I mean, you can get a lot of the preflop stuff by intuition, too, if your intuition is good enough, without actually knowing equity and the math.But if they have huge preflop leaks they are destined to only be a marginal winner or worse.
I have just started to rewatch your videos. Did you change your mind in these hands?Video 1: Against Sargo38, 40:17 20bb deep, on SB, you said to raise/call 22, is this an open shove now?and 40:36, 20bb deep, you called a minraise with A6, is this better for a 3bet shove? Accordng to your video 17, I estimate the f and h for A6o 20bb is around 36% and 55%. I think he should minraise more than 55% here. As you assume flat is somewhere between -1bb to 0bb(can you explain more on why -1 to 0??), it's better to 3bet shove here. Is my understanding correct?Video 6 about endgame at SB, you said you wouldn't recommend limping premiums unless... I thought for most opponents, it's a good strategy to limp AA,KK at 12bb deep especially if this isn't my first limp in the game, as AA,KK is pretty strong on most flops. For KK, even a A comes on flop, we are safe most of the time as Ax will probably shove on our limp preflop. I feel kind of pity if my AA,KK only serve as blind stealer. They can stimulate more actions if we limp and BB hit part of the board. Though get burned from time to time, I still think this is good play. I would limp even JJ vs someone who attacks limps a lot. What's your opinion?
22: Yep, I'm definitely in the openshove camp now. It's only going to be a minraise when your opponent likes to 3bet/fold.A6: Sounds like a shove.Limps: I wouldn't limp AA or KK as standard at 12bb. I limp those hands as standard from 6-9bb, though. 12bb I think you get enough flats preflop and induce 3bet jams from hands that wouldn't jam over a limp, and that's extremely valuable. It's definitely something where you should be paying good attention to his frequencies and adjusting accordingly, and limping when appropriate.
You missed this 2 questions from last months thread (definately happy with Hokie chiming in too, especially on second one since first one comes from direct discussion between you and me):1"You mentioned in your HH review that I might be limping a little too often at 20-25bbs without provocation for it. A little shorter, at 15ish bbs, I remember you said once during a live sweat that some hands of the T8s type you believe have the best expectation limping, even vs someone who doesn't 3bet too much. So for instance, a hand like QT you would never limp vs an opponent that doesn't force you to do so by 3betting a lot, and vs someone who 3bet-shoves a ton, you might limp it >15bbs and mr-call it below, correct? Then a hand like 89s you would limp redless at 15bbs? but still raise it at 25? Could you talk a little about where the limits are in terms of stack sizes and hand types for limping vs minraising vs someone who doesn't 3bet much, or someone who 3bets a healthy % but nothing crazy?"2"On a kind of similar topic: I'm not sure if this is a difference between the stars/FT population, something players have been evolving towards, or if it's just variance making me encounter this more, but anyways: I'm finding that the general population is shoving a lot on BB vs a SB limp, rather than making a 3x raise, even up to like 20bbs deep. I'm not talking about people just shoving everytime you limp obv, but rather something like: First time you limp, at 22bbs, he snap-shoves. Then mostly checks behind vs limps, 3xes some and shoves some, and again at 15bbs and below he starts shoving fairly aggressively on most limps. I'm finding this kind of things a lot. i'd like to talk a bit about adjustments vs this, in 2 cases: 1) guy 3bet-shoves aggressively and also shoves a lot vs limps. 2) Guy doesn't 3bet a lot but shoves a ton vs limps. Don't feel like typing long thoughts right now, but maybe you can chime in and then we discuss it. Basically, vs case 1 obvious stuff is it's mandatory to simply openfold more hands unless you can openshove them profitably at whatever stack size you're at, and you have to call jams lighter. But going from there, how would you distribute good hands between limp-calling and mr-calling? Or is there no reason to limp vs this guy? Intuition tells me there's got to be some edge to be gained by mixing ranges but not sure. In case 2, what kind of stuff would you start limping to trap, and what would you still raise? Would the trash in your opening range change in any way?"
"Could you talk a little about where the limits are in terms of stack sizes and hand types for limping vs minraising vs someone who doesn't 3bet much, or someone who 3bets a healthy % but nothing crazy?"One thing to remember is that in general, people who don't 3bet much are also people who you have the best expectation in limped pots, because they tend to be fairly passive OOP and not raise limps as much, as well. That's not universal, but there's definitely a correlation. So you have to weigh that fact - sure, raising becomes better if they arent' 3betting much, but often limping improves in expectation as well.Deeper stacked, I think the better expectation from raising outweighs things, and you shouldn't limp these hands. Once you get short, though, the math changes. Even people who don't 3bet super wide will 3bet jam wider at 12bb.The inflection points are pretty dynamic and depend on your hand.
There's definitely good reason to start limping and having a mixed range. If you're really that afraid of getting jammed on a lot, well then obviously, it logically has to be true that limping premium pairs has fantastic expectation (or your fear is invalid).Shorter, it tends to be best to limp to trap big pairs and KQ/KJ/KT/QJs type stuff. You can limp to trap AJ, but you really have to think you're getting jammed on a lot, as hands with an ace play much worse in limped pots.
In your video 9 40:38, effective stake is around 1500 and blinds is 15/30. You minraise to 60 woth 9To and BB calls. He donks 60 into the 120 pot with a flop of T34r. You raise to 180 and say you are going to raise/fold here. Could you explain on more about your reasoning of raise/fold here? With a top pair, I don't think I can fold here especially the reraise may come from 4x/3x/65 stuff.and 52:00 you have 1365 on BB with blind of 25/50. SB minraises to 100 and you 3bet to 250 with AQo. You said here that you raise to this size to get a 2:1 stack to pot ratio or something like that. I remember you said in other videos that it's better to 3bet larger size than normal with AK and AQ as they don't induce too much and is not good to play the flop. So you will charge them more to see a flop. What makes you weigh more on the stack/pot ratio to this?In video 24 04:28, you jamed A8o on the river of 8T254r board. BB check/snap call both flop and turn and based on this time tell, you said he won't have Tx most of the time. But what are you trying to induce with this jam here? I doubt 2x/5x/A or K high will call a river jam but they may call a smaller size river bet.
Raise/folding with top pair in a husng is going to be pretty rare, but there are good occasions for it. In that hand, I think it's extremely rare for him to 3bet worse on that flop, that deep, without any sort of dynamic. We'll get owned by 3bet bluffs very occasionally, also some random 4x jam it ins, but that's about it. Against a reg who is capable of 3bet bluffing the flop knowing that you will be light sometimes, it gets much worse to do it with a value hand. I do think my size probably should have been a little bet smaller.The AQ thing is probably one I'll get caught arguing both sides of from time to time - against anybody who is capable of 4bet jamming light, 250 keeps much more bluff hands in your range and will induce more, so it's a better size for that reason. But I think very often against random opponents a bigger size would be better.I'd need the particulars (how much the jam was, opponent, etc), but a jam can look more suspicious than a smaller bet there, and we do have the best hand pretty much always. There are also missed draws to represent.
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Ace-rag and king-rag tend to either be check behinds, or jams. Both play extremely poorly OOP against your opponent's limp/calling range. But you probably know that.I think jamming weak Ax is best up to 20bb against many opponents. I'd jam K2o over a limp readless 11-12bb deep.It's not quite true that if your opponent actually limps 100%, you can just NASH. That's because NASH is shove or fold - our decision is shove or check behind and take a flop. Very very different. But you don't face people who limp 100% very often so I wouldn't worry about it.
Hey,This is more of a theoretical question, hope it's okay to post in here.Lets say we're playing a fish heads up in a super turbo, blinds 50/100, were in the bb with 89s, and he open shoves for 12.5x bb.I looked this scenario up in sng wizard in chip ev mode. If I exclude the top of his range AA-99/AQ+, and he shoves any ace, any pair, k6s+,Q9s+,K9o+,QJ+,J10S+ then calling with 89s loses me -89 chips.If I understand your articles correctly, we should call here because we lose -100 chips by folding. Therefore calling with 89s loses us 11 less chips so its the more +ev play.Here's where I'm confused. If we know that we have a huge edge on someone postflop (passive fish) is it okay to fold here?I come from a backround of playing 9-18 man sngs were it makes sense to give up on smaller edges in order to be able to exploit larger ones later in the game. There were also many ICM factors involved.HU sng's are purely chip ev, so does that mean any edge (no matter how small) you don't take is a mistake?Thanks
Your equity calc seems off - I get that calling is 0.4bb worse than folding.As for the brunt of the question, we should occasionally pass up very small edges in superturbos, but most people will err on the side of passing up on edges too often when they take this line of reasoning.
def not a hh, but a stats review I'd like to review my preflop game and if called my cbet effectivness when deep stacked1. Do my filters make sense? I selected eff stack more than 40bbs and 10/20 - 15/30 levels. Why? Because peoples don't pay attention to eff stack sizes but they pay attention to the blind levels. With this 2 filters I'm making a double check that I am somewhat deep.Obv I gotta select PFR raise = true and Faced preflop 3bet = false in order to investigate on what I want. Question: Does excluding 3bets pots affects my analysis? Sometime I raise and Villain 3bets and I have to fold, losing chips, sometimes I have to called 3bets and so on. 2. As you can see I'm losing with few hands, my sample for any hands is pretty low, so does my analysis will be ok anyway? Maybe I should assess each results, for example it's kinda strange that I'm losing with 86s and I'm close to BE with J2o. I think this comes up from my low sample size I'm actually watch your vids on metrics and got some questions about thema. (vid #1 about 30th min) you filtered your stats based on 2 players, facing raise preflop and call, facing PFR size (2 big blinds) and after this you start to talk... well don't you think the numbers that will pop out are HUGELY influenced by blind levels?b. (vid #2 about 34th min, actually you are talking about in all the vids) you are talking about BB/hand, even if it is negative maybe make sense play some hands... so you said that if we are folding preflop we are losing 1bb or 1/2 BB. This is not correct imo since preflop pot size is 1 BB + 1SB so the final number should be 1,5BBs so it should be 0,75BB/hand. So in order to make a hand playable we are looking for something better than -0,75BB/hand or not?c. (vid #3 about 12th min) you are showing this slide I really can't understand why we are losing only a SB, SB and BB are in the pot, we aren't putting in an SB voluntary so I think we should assume that if we are folding we are going to lose 1SB+1BB,And what I underlined, if I understand correctly from your voice... the difference isn't too big, so there is an error on the slide
Hi mers.I was told to forward my question here.http://www.husng.com/content/3bets-super-turbos#comment-22440 "That's why in general, I've really come to like raising to 100 or 95 with our bluff hands and our premium pairs, and 120 with our KQ/KJ bet/calling stuff." How about 95-100 with premium hands and KQ/KJso we have space to fold early on without reads, and 120 with bluffs where we want folds? What do you do if villian 3x instead of 2x? What hand would you call a 3B with if villian 3B to 80/100/120/140/160 (how much does the 3B size matter to your calling range)? What do we do with Ax vs 3B, which ones do we call/fold/jam?
Hi mers.One more thing. I want to do some calculations for pushing vs 3 different calling ranges. How do they look?(I know its a rough estimation, but need something to make the calculations on. What would you change?) Tight>20BB :: 66+, A9s+, ATo+, KQs15 - 20BB :: 44+, A7s+, A8o+, KJs+, KQ Standard>20BB :: 44+, A8s+, A9o+, KJs+, KQ15 - 20BB :: 22+, A6s+, A7o+, KJo+ Loose>20BB :: 22+, A6s+, A7o+, KTs+, KJo+, QJ 15 - 20BB :: 22+, A2s+, A4o+, KTo+, K8s+ QJo+, QTs+, J8s+, J9+, T8s+, T9
ServerB: Too small sample size to look into individual hands like that, imo. Whether excluding 3bets makes sense depends on what you're trying to look at.When you're in the small blind, your expectation from folding is -0.5bb. What I mean by this is that if you have 18bb before the blinds are posted, and you fold the small blind, you will have -0.5bb from the start of the hand. From the big blind, you'll be -1bb from the start of the hand.If you do something different than fold, you want it to have better expectation than the expectation you get from folding. You want to end up with 17.54bb at the end of the hand, for example. If you end up with 17.43bb on average from the small blind, then you would have been better off folding preflop.You can look at EV from other frames of reference (folding always = 0 is one popular one), the calculations will be equivalent if you're consistent.In the slide, what I meant is that I'm having SO much better expectation playing those junky hands, that I'm probably not playing them enough. A small difference could mean that the extra situations I would add would actually be -EV situations. That seems unlikely when my expectation has been far far better from folding. It seems like there's good opportunity there to get away with playing more junk hands.
"How about 95-100 with premium hands and KQ/KJso we have space to fold early on without reads, and 120 with bluffs where we want folds? What do you do if villian 3x instead of 2x?"You're not folding KJ/KQ after you 3bet in a ST without razor sharp reads. You have too good equity against a jamming range. If villain 3x, that changes a lot. KJo definitely becomes a flat, KQ/KJs are close. "What hand would you call a 3B with if villian 3B to 80/100/120/140/160 (how much does the 3B size matter to your calling range)?What do we do with Ax vs 3B, which ones do we call/fold/jam?"These questions are just way too opponent dependent to give a good answer. 3bet size definitely matters a lot, though. There's little you are flatting when the raise is 40 -> 160 in a ST.
Ranges are reasonable enough.
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I'd appreciate it if you could give my calculations a look over in this hand. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBchubz30051500 BTNHero1500 Effective Stacks: 8bb Blinds 100/200 Pre-Flop (300, 2 players) Hero is BTN Hero goes all-in 1500, chubz3005 calls 1300 Flop (3000, 2 players, 1 all-in) I've decided to use pro poker tools from now on instead of sng wizard. I put Qx3y for the shover range, * for the opp. hand range, bets in pot before shove:1, shove bets: 7.5, and opponents bets to call: 6.5. I put his calling range as A,KK-22,KQ-K4,QJ-Q6,J10-J7,109-108,Kx3x-Kx2x,Qx5x-Qx3x,Jx6x,Tx7x,9x8x-9x7x,8x7x,7x6x.The result was that I lose -.4565 bets every time I shove. I lose .5 by folding so I do .5-.4565=.0435.Therefore this is a profitable shove?
Bets in pot before shove = 1.5 (small and big blind), shove bets 7.5 (more from your stack), opponent bets to call = 7 (seven more bb from his stack).But yes, your interpretation of the results is correct.
Okay so I understand why the bets in pot before shove=1.5 instead of 1 but I'm confused on the other two.You saying shove bets= 7.5 and opponent bets to call=7 is if we start the hand with 8bb or 7.5bb?If you were assuming 8bb then it makes sense to me(what it says under effective stacks), but in the hand history we only have 7.5 bb (1500/200=7.5).Assuming we start with 7.5 bb then I think it should be bets in pot before shove =1.5, shove bets= 7, and opponents bets to call=6.5?
What maths would we use to find the distribution of likeilhoods of a specific outcome given a finite sample, for ex say someone raised 4/5 buttons and we are looking to find the likelihood of their pfr being greater than 70% how would we go about this (or just point me in thew direction of the right theory and i'l give it a shot). Thinking in the context of making significant adjustments in the face of small samples. Also have a defend to 3x range readless first hand, what are your thoughts:
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I'm hoping Mers can give a better answer, but at least some direction to start looking is into the statistical entity called an Estimator: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EstimatorIn particular I would think that in Poker we probably want to be using Bayesian methods: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayes_estimator I'll be reading through that stuff today too and hopefully together with some population tendencies we can come up with some practical charts.
I think I figured out where I was getting confused now. No need to reply to my previous post and please feel free to delete it if needed. If anyone's interested the thread below helped a lot. http://www.husng.com/content/jamming-expectation-20bb-deep-big-blind-vs-... When I redid the hand I got shover net bets= -.03So I lose -.03 bb by shoving and if I open fold I lose -.5 bb. My total overall expectation for shoving this hand would be -.03bb-.5bb= -.503 bb?That means that I should fold Q3o but it's a very close to being a breakeven shove? With stacks being so shallow are you okay with jamming here due to the future loss of fold equity outweighing our slight loss of chips by shoving?
Oops. sorry - I just read "effective stack size 8bb" and did it for 8. You're right for 7.5.
Poker is an extremely Bayesian game, which is a fancy way of saying trying to optimize based on incomplete information. Mazurski's thread is really good. In practicality I always just "adjusted a lot" or "adjusted a little bit" based on how convincing the evidence is, but we certainly can try to think with more precision than that.As for your call-a-3x range - I think it's too wide. I'd fold A2o-A6o, K6o-K7o, Q7o-Q8o, J7o-J8o, T7o, 97o, 87o, 43s, T6s, J5s-J6s, Q4s-Q6s, K3s-K4s, and maybe A2s. We can quibble about my borders too of course but I definitely think your range is in general too wide first hand in a ST.
oh nice im way off, least it means im gettin my $$$ worth :)i guess that was considerably tighter than i expected, esp round the j8 off, a6 area, im guessing i wasnt factoringing in the increased strength of the 3x range and leaving myself with too many easily dominated hands in the range.
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I think you have it right now. I mess you up a bit because what I do is just take the propokertools number and manually adjust it as "from the start of the hand" and compare that against the expectation from folding. So if it spits out shover net bets = -0.1, I'm just to just translating that as "we're -0.6 from the start of the hand", because in propokertools shover net bets means how much different from folding. If it's less confusing you can just stay in the reference of "is it better than folding" and just look at the shover net bets number, if it's negative, a shove is worse than folding, if it's positive, a shove is better than folding.I wouldn't worry too much about "future loss of fold equity". That sounds like a fallacy to me.
Alright Mers so we are gonna play the one million question game, wiiiiiiiiiiiie :) 1. Ok so first hand in a ST vs an unknown what's your opening % from SB (do you kinda use the same kind of hands as PPT's % ranges?).2. First hand in ST vs an unknown do you ever 3bet t100 bluff?3. I think I have noticed that people 3bet a little bit more often first hand in a ST than otherwise do you think this is true or false?4. When you are playing a person who is mixing up their openings between 2x and 3x how do you attack his 2x's and with what kind of holdings? ( Say we are 20-25bb deep and he's total opening % is around 65%)5. You are playing a person 14bb deep who is 3beting allin 25%, raising against limps 40%(he raises bigger than 3x most of the time) and flatts 30%. What range would you limp, minra fold and minra call?6. I have been trying to do some 3bet calcs especially around 15bb deep, thing is I don't really know what my expectation from flatting is, especially with middeling stuff (ex Q9-Q7,J9-J7 T9-T6, 98-96 suited and offsuit). Kinda hard to answer but if you could guess?7. First hand readless in a ST what would you call a 3b t100 with? a 3b t120? And what would you shove over?8. Why would you say that the expectation from flatting is way worse 15bb deep than 25bb deep, is it cause you won't get paid as much when you hit, that you can't CR bluff without being pot commited or what's the deal here? And when you play a person who is flatting a ton 15bb deep how would you adjust pre and post?9. You have coached me a fair bit and I would assume you atleast have some idea about my play. What would you say I really need to improve on and what's really the big diffrens between yours and my skill level. And how would you suggest I close that gap?Well let's start with these :O.
ok so flat to 3x (with 3bshove range taken out), my only points of real uncertainty would be k7o, j/q8o.gonna take a shot at some of ur questions too to see if my skills r in check;1 in the 70% range on stove, open fold the worst and open shove 22/33.2 no3 yes4 if people are mixing 3xs and 2xs its normally safe to assume the 3x range on avg is stronger, so i would incorperate a 3b bluff (non all in) above 20bb and be more willing to put up fights on some A/K high flops postflop with my flattin range that whiffs.7 3b shove a8+ any pair, flat to 100 range is relatively tight, maybe only slightly tighter than my defend to 3x range, flat to 120 is a pretty tight range that mainly includes two cards greater than a ten that wont be 3b shoved.
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ok so this WAS my flat to minr first hand but looking at in the context of my other being too wide im assuming this is too wide also, at a guess id be taking out q3, j4, t5, 45o, and q2s, j3s, t3s, 94s, maybe some of the v low suited stuff to?
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http://www.husng.com/content/leak-plugging-do-you-call-too-tight-oop has Mers' flat to minr first hand range. it is indeed quite a bit tighter than yours.Edit: after rereading the post though, mers does a TON better with the bottom border of his range than folding, so I'd imagine that playing one border's worth wider than his range might be better since that border would probably have around -.8bb expectation. That being said, you are more than one border's width wider :)
The 3x debate has some vary wide opinions about it - for example, rumnchess was BAFFLED at me saying I call Q8s to a 3x. His opening question was "what do you do with QTs against a 3x?" I obviously think he's way off, just just goes to show the range. I'm pretty confident calling J7o to a 3x is going to be -EV though. Check your expectation vs a minraise then factor in the extra BB you're putting in pre and the increased strength of his range.As usual with "this is not profitable" arguments though, I could be wrong. Since I think it's bad I don't do it and since I don't do it I have no definitive empirical evidence :)
"1. Ok so first hand in a ST vs an unknown what's your opening % from SB (do you kinda use the same kind of hands as PPT's % ranges?)."I'm usually opening about 80% or so against a total unknown (you still have reads about a total unknown though!), with no hands in my limping range. "2. First hand in ST vs an unknown do you ever 3bet t100 bluff?"Yes. There are some hands which I think work really well as 3bet bluffs (T4s, 95o, etc) and if I get a hand that's really good for it I'll often do it even first hand. You also get some cool benefits based on your perceived 3betting range and can pick up value later because of that, even just in a couple of games matches. "3. I think I have noticed that people 3bet a little bit more often first hand in a ST than otherwise do you think this is true or false?"Slightly higher percentage of 3bet jams from randoms, not really sure about non-allin 3bets. Probably yes against opponents who know each other and have legitimate aggressive instincts. "4. When you are playing a person who is mixing up their openings between 2x and 3x how do you attack his 2x's and with what kind of holdings? ( Say we are 20-25bb deep and he's total opening % is around 65%)"Jamming every Ax 25bb deep against this opponent, playing pretty tight against 3xes. 20bb deep you can start jamming J5s type stuff more often than you otherwise would against a 65% opener. "5. You are playing a person 14bb deep who is 3beting allin 25%, raising against limps 40%(he raises bigger than 3x most of the time) and flatts 30%. What range would you limp, minra fold and minra call?"Minraising like 80%, rest is a stove problem :). Not frequent enough of a 3bet range at that stack depth and too high of a raise against limp frequency to limp hands like T8s. "6. I have been trying to do some 3bet calcs especially around 15bb deep, thing is I don't really know what my expectation from flatting is, especially with middeling stuff (ex Q9-Q7,J9-J7 T9-T6, 98-96 suited and offsuit). Kinda hard to answer but if you could guess?"yeah this is the problem with this, it depends way more on your opponent's opening range too because it varies so much at this stack depth, much moreso than 25bb deep. You could work with -0.3 to -1.0bb from the strongest to weakest hands in that range. "7. First hand readless in a ST what would you call a 3b t100 with? a 3b t120? And what would you shove over?"Knowing nothing about my opponent I'm jamming ATo+ A8s+ 22+. Flatting a lot (86s is a flat, 85s probably not. J9o flat, J8o probably not). "8. Why would you say that the expectation from flatting is way worse 15bb deep than 25bb deep, is it cause you won't get paid as much when you hit, that you can't CR bluff without being pot commited or what's the deal here? And when you play a person who is flatting a ton 15bb deep how would you adjust pre and post?"Minraising ranges are much stronger is the biggest reason. Against a person who is flatting a ton, tighten up your minraising range, realize what that means about his ranges postflop. "9. You have coached me a fair bit and I would assume you atleast have some idea about my play. What would you say I really need to improve on and what's really the big diffrens between yours and my skill level. And how would you suggest I close that gap?"Your mind is very well suited to the logic of preflop decisions but you should spend some more time on postflop thought processes as well and the increased dimensions of those. But you're super solid :)
Thereabouts on the 3x range chadders - it's not a hard border as mentioned. 96s I think is a call, pretty reasonable to call K7, would argue J8o/Q8o are on the outside but could be wrong.Your point about 3bet bluffing non-allin vs the 2x range is good.
Yes chadders, I think that flat a minraise range is too wide. It means you're playing 75% of holdings OOP (you'll have a slightly lower effective BB VPIP though because of card removal). I argue for more like 60% of starting hands for good players, with 65% starting to push it but OK.{Q3o, Q4o, J4o, J5o, T5o, 85o, 75o, 65o, 54o, 43s, 53s, 63s, 94s, T3s, J3s} - if you've been flatting those hands, I'd love to see your expectation flatting to a raise 25bb deep as a group. It's conceivable to me that they are +EV but wouldn't have guessed so. Mazurski's post is a good one, but remember that my expectation in that group includes some rather strong hands that some people were suggesting folding but you and I clearly agree are calls. That's going to drag the group's expectation up. I'm not sure what the expectation is of the very bottom of my group because I don't have enough of a sample for it, but it's low enough that I've been guessing the group above isn't profitable to flat readless.You can also consider 3bet bluffing some of these sorts of hands instead.
imj using pt3 to try and get more accurate stats on regs for diff stack sizes, so i filter for diff stack sizes but the details tab sucks in terms of avaible stats, is there any way i can see the stats on my hud after filtering? ....ok i just figured it out in the run report section, i've never used it before but with a bit of twiddling you can create a list of all the stats you want and then filter them for stack swizes, perfect for post game note taking vs regs wqho you have high volume against. Have you used this before, any hints for gettin started? edit; scratch hint request it seems v self explanatory
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No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero480 BBjalla79520 Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, jalla79 calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) jalla79 checks, Hero bets 40, jalla79 calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) jalla79 checks, Hero bets 80, jalla79 folds Final Pot: 240 Hero wins 240 ( won +80 ) jalla79 lost -80 bet turn or not?
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"....ok i just figured it out in the run report section, i've never used it before but with a bit of twiddling you can create a list of all the stats you want and then filter them for stack swizes, perfect for post game note taking vs regs wqho you have high volume against. Have you used this before, any hints for gettin started?"Haven't done anything with this, sounds useful though.Kind of a funky spot on the turn there. Against most players I like a small bet (t60 or so) and checking back river unimproved. You can get value from Ax/Kx hands that turn straight draws or just get subborn, along with some overcard floats that turned straight draws. You're going to do pretty similarly against his 7x holdings depending on the river card (we're calculating whether he'd v-bet 7x if turn is checked through, and whether we can fold to a river lead). There are going to be a lot of 7x hands in his range and some 5x that beats us as well, pretty rarely 6x, but should be enough Ax/Kx/"just called because it was a low flop" hands where betting does better. But I think checking is perfectly reasonable and probably wouldn't have even commented on it in a HH review. I do think if you bet it can be smaller than half pot.
the report thing is awesome, basically you can get a list of hud stats and then filter them for sitatuions, a great tool for analysing your own and others games, it's really easy to see stuff like pfr and defend at different depths and a bunch of random stuff like %cbet on paired or A high boards, loads, basically anything you want to know about villain you can filter after running a report. Just need to make sure you analyse the play of peoploe you run into often. Tbh it's so good that i would consider it a leak not using it at $100+ where the player pools start decrease.
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''I'm usually opening about 80% or so against a total unknown'' Alright which 80% of hands is it exactly? If you are playing against a person with a wide opening % and he calls your 3bets to 100 alot as well, what hands would you 3b to 100 with? Would you have a super wide value range like QJo, QTo, JTs, KTo and that stuff? (assuming he's folding way more often to a 3b 120 than a to 100.) This is a pretty wide question I guess, but what flops would you Cbet and what flops woulden't you? Say you are playing a person for the first time, first hand in a ST. I know the obvious flops to ch back at but sometimes it comes flops that on one hand probably hit my opponent alot but I only need like 33% fold so it might be worth it anyway. Guess it's hard to answer cause there are so many possible flop combinations but if you could give me some good guidelines to go by? So a pretty standard Reg flats 40% and 3bets 20%, how much % would you open from the SB at 20-25bb? I have played alot vs people who 3b 30% (say they shove most of the time they 3bets) and flats 25-30%, how would you adjust exactly at say 20-25bb? It feels like even if I do play a pretty solid style of limping my middeling stuff and raise calling with the right hands, that at the end of the day my edge is so small that I'm not sure it's even worth playing them. How would you roughly play from the BB 10-15bb deep vs a person who limps 50% and raising like 27%, he is limping all his big pairs, A9-AK, some trash, and some random middeling stuff. He open shoves many low Ax and low PP's and minraise calling stuff like KQ-K9 some AJ-A8o, QJo and maybe mixes in some big PP's once in awhile. Overall he folds like 40-50% vs 3bet all ins and folds his limps to a raise around 50-60%. So you decide to CR on the flop when do you CR to t100 and when to t120 (ST first lvl 20-25bb deep)?Do you change your Cbet betsize depending on the board texture? If you do, can you give me some examples? So I wanna work on my Postflop strategy, how exactly would you suggest I go about that? That was all for now, thank you =).
"Alright which 80% of hands is it exactly?"Ask something specific here about which hands you want to compare."If you are playing against a person with a wide opening % and he calls your 3bets to 100 alot as well, what hands would you 3b to 100 with? Would you have a super wide value range like QJo, QTo, JTs, KTo and that stuff? (assuming he's folding way more often to a 3b 120 than a to 100.)"These are the type of theoretical questions I'm always pretty skeptical of, I'm not sure I've played an opponent who folds way more often to 120 than 100. But in general, yes :p"This is a pretty wide question I guess, but what flops would you Cbet and what flops woulden't you? Say you are playing a person for the first time, first hand in a ST. I know the obvious flops to ch back at but sometimes it comes flops that on one hand probably hit my opponent alot but I only need like 33% fold so it might be worth it anyway. Guess it's hard to answer cause there are so many possible flop combinations but if you could give me some good guidelines to go by?"Again, frame your question with specific examples/comparisons."So a pretty standard Reg flats 40% and 3bets 20%, how much % would you open from the SB at 20-25bb?"Depends how he responds to limps."I have played alot vs people who 3b 30% (say they shove most of the time they 3bets) and flats 25-30%, how would you adjust exactly at say 20-25bb? It feels like even if I do play a pretty solid style of limping my middeling stuff and raise calling with the right hands, that at the end of the day my edge is so small that I'm not sure it's even worth playing them."If they don't adjust their 3bet jamming range against your tighter opening range you'll be making a lot of money."How would you roughly play from the BB 10-15bb deep vs a person who limps 50% and raising like 27%, he is limping all his big pairs, A9-AK, some trash, and some random middeling stuff. He open shoves many low Ax and low PP's and minraise calling stuff like KQ-K9 some AJ-A8o, QJo and maybe mixes in some big PP's once in awhile. Overall he folds like 40-50% vs 3bet all ins and folds his limps to a raise around 50-60%."I don't really think this description makes all that much sense especially comparing the minraise/folding range vs. description and limp/folding range vs description. In general though if someone has a wide openlimping range that is somewhat balanced, you just happily check behind a lot and thank your opponent for giving you a lot of free flops."So you decide to CR on the flop when do you CR to t100 and when to t120 (ST first lvl 20-25bb deep)?"In general 100 is when the board is dry and you either want to still rep air when you have a value hand against an opponent who will play back, or an air hand against an opponent who won't. 120 is some combination of the opposites."Do you change your Cbet betsize depending on the board texture? If you do, can you give me some examples?"Yes, dryer often leads to smaller especially when it's a dry flop that especially hits our range harder like ace high boards. You can also go bigger when your opponent rarely check/raise bluffs and doesn't think much about betsizing when you have a value hand.
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