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dert's picture
PF, flop and turn questions - $11

No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$11 + $0.50 Heads Up Sit & Go BBbrensch1565  SBHero1435  Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 30/60 Pre-Flop (90, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 120, brensch calls 60 Flop (240, 2 players) brensch checks, Hero bets 180, brensch raises to 480, Hero calls 300 Turn (1200, 2 players) brensch checks, Hero bets 600, brensch calls 600 River (2400, 2 players) brensch checks, Hero checks I have a lot of doubts from this hand. Its important to say that he has been playing fairly tight passive throught the match.My questions:Should I just limp PF or min-raising is ok?When he check-raises me in the flop I knew that he was strong, I just couldnt get away from my top pair. What kind of things should I analyze to come up with a decision here?At the turn, when the Q comes, I thought that I might get him to fold a K and decided to bet? What do you think?Any other comments?

happy's picture
limping versus minR: since

limping versus minR: since he's TP i assume he have been folding oop so you can raise and just take it down here. limping really only works if he have a 7 that you are dominating. so MinR is what i would do. Flop: standard cbet i think with the draws out there. Hes TP and minraises you a)toppair b)two pair c) a set.  IMO i think folding is a good idea but this comes down to how he have been playing.Turn:If he got a king you are splitting the pot unless he AK so all your doing is pushing him of a split so i think simply checking behind is a lot better since he could the Queen or something better so i'd rather just take the split pot.

dert's picture
Great, thanks. But what would

Great, thanks.But what would you do if you check the turn and he bets the river?

happy's picture
since i'm still learning take

since i'm still learning take my advice with a grain of salt until someone else approves of it. : )I'd prolly take a deep breath to focus and then fold. bc: by checking the turn he say hes scared of the 2nd queen or he got it and hopes you are going to bet again. when the ace then comes if he got the King i don't think hes going to bet because what worse hands are going to call him. so it would only make sense for him to bet a Q , A or as a bluff complete air which given the TP read i don't think happens enough for a call to be profitable

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Hey man!Your min-raise is

Hey man!Your min-raise is completely fine.You said he played tight passive the whole game? Then for me, it is an easy fold on the flop!Why? Because tight/passive players are money in the bank! You can just grind them down very easily by picking small pot (c-betting and donking flop by example). Against tigh/passive players, any card is +EV; bet, bet, bet till they give you a reason not to. When they fight back, just get out of their way. Simple as that. Those kind of players fold way too much and there is no reasons fo you to get into marginal spots. If you are patient, most of the time, you can just grind them down quitely withtout too much incidents.Here, of course you have top pair... However, your kicker is low! You have no draw, no back door either...and he never played back at you. The board is scary so since he is very passive, he would not raise you with nothing but a strong hand. TPTK, 2 pairs, TP + draw etc... Against this kind of players, I think there is a fair chance we are behind. Getting more chips in this hand is going to get you in trouble more often than not (against this type of players). I would fold and continue the grinding!Cheers! 

happy's picture
Here, of course you have top

Here, of course you have top pair... However, your kicker is low! You have no draw, no back door either...and he never played back at you. The board is scary so since he is very passive, he would not raise you with nothing but a strong hand. TPTK, 2 pairs, TP + draw. Against this kind of players, I think there is a fair chance we are behind. Getting more chips in this hand is going to get you in trouble more often then not (against this tyoe of players). solid input didn't put a lot of thought into a kicker problems versus a TP player

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Yeah, here I think the kicker

Yeah, here I think the kicker makes the whole difference. Moreover, with KQ or KJ (spade/club), It would still be a tricky spot. Of course, it always depends how tight he is. However, with really tight players that never bet/raises anything, I think even KQ and KJ can get you in trouble so I would probably call the raise and try to check this hand down and fold to any sign of agression.Also, I think there is another thing to consider against tight players. Here it doesnt seem likely to be the case since OP has only 1435 chips but most of the time... when you grind tight players down and steal 90% of the little pots, you have a big lead (let's say 2200-800) and the blinds are getting higher; even tight players start to panic! They feel trapped and they realise they are getting run over (time is running out for them) so they are trying to get back at you. If it would be the case and this player would start to loosen up, I would probably call this hand. But since it does not seem to be the case, I would fold.Cheers!

dert's picture
Wow, very solid information.

Wow, very solid information. It's going to make my decision process a lot easier.Thanks a lot everyone