Folks
Only the 3d hand of the game so not much in the way of reads, villain opened 3x which tends to mean they are aggro and had also stabbed turn on a pot but it was very wet so they may have connected. What would you do with 10s here both after their 3bet and in response to their jam. Im not sure if this deep and this early in a match getting it in with 10s is actually profitable other than a coin toss. Should you embrace the 50/50 spots this early on given the equity already in the pot, i think this kind of links in with a statement xscwx made about being careful not to always wait for a better time.
Fwiw i think my biggest mistake in this pot was 4betting instead of just jamming but i would have gone all in on the flop regardless of what came given how big the pot would have been. Does anyone here play for set value following the 3bet or does everyone just ship it pre?
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players
Hand converted by the official husng.com hand converter
| BB | Zubera | 1590 | |
| BTN | Hero | 1410 | |
Effective Stacks: 47bb
Blinds 15/30
- Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BTN
- Flop (3000, 2 players, 1 all-in)
- Turn (3000, 2 players, 1 all-in)
- River (3000, 2 players, 1 all-in)
- Final Pot: 3000
Ship it all day.
Playing for set value is a big mistake:
a) you pay too much for this (stacks are not enough deep). To justify your call you will need to win almost all his chips.
b) even if you will catch set on flop, you can't win whole stack every time, he can just bet/fold to your RR, or even check/fold.
as stated you dont play for set value here, you aren't deep enough
this is a standard value 4b (or shove), and i'm sure at the $10 level(and higher) you'd see worse hands than TT a good amount of the time if you get it in. and that's ignoring the % of the time he folds after 3betting and you pick up his 180
Anyone think folding to his 180 rr might be the best line and or folding to the allin. Your not in a coinflip vs a tight 4bet allin range (99+, AQs,AK, 4.2%) you're 40% to 60%. So I am wondering what range you put a guy on in this situation.
I'm shoving here all day long. I don't like flatting the 3-bet because I don't like folding and it's not nice when overcard(s) come on the flop. There's nothing awful about a 4-bet but if he flats it... there's what, 1080 chips in the pot and we've got 870 behind. Which is kinda ugly when the flop comes A, K, Q, even J hi.So if we're 4-betting and snap calling a shove then why don't we just shove? If he folds, fine. If not, the worst case scenario is usually a flip.@dzikijohnny Folding to the 3bet here is the worst possible line here. You're giving him credit for far too strong a range. Assuming this is a low stakes match, in my experience unknown villains are 3-betting here with any 2 suited broadway cards, AT+, KJ+, QJ, 77+, often stuff like T9s, 98s, and a reasonably wide WTF range.
Ok, I see one of the mistakes I made was I thought this was a reg speed with ~75 bb deep which changes my thinking a little . And I am new to husngs. But, playing around with my Pokerstove I don't find a range I can assign to a villain that is reasonable to a 3 bet and 4 bet to anybody but, a spewtard, that is better than a flip. So, I need some info of what you guy's thoughts are on taking a flip this early in a match. Cause mine are, remember I am new to husngs (coming over from 9 man), why gamble so early in the match? Don't you expect to find better chances later in the game, when you would have more info on the player? Olionion, did you sharkscope this guy and if so what are his stats? Also, not that it matters, what did actually he have? And rongwrong, at the beginning of a game do you default a really wide ranges to a player or really narrow? I usually don't assume someone is an idiot till they prove it. And agree many of them do.
dzikijohnny, you might want to check out this thread, particularly xSCWx's thoughts...http://www.husng.com/content/most-overplayed-hand-poker
Thanks that really helped. What you be you range for calling a 4 bet shove here? And what would be your guess for a 4 bet shove range for a villain? And what would be yours? Do you think 4% (TT+, AJs+, AKo+) is too tight in your experience? When I Pokerstove it, I don't like being 40% vs 60% dog. Also that great thread you gave me talked about AK. A middle pocket pair is different isn't it? Wouldn't the same kind of discussion happen about whether to call an allin vs a guy who always shoves the first hand of the match?