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happy's picture
Pocket QQ, low board, gets raised on the turn.

decided to sort this HH out for verso86 not sure if he had any reads Texas Holdem Game The Official ProPokerPro Hand Converter 2 players (stacks): BB ($1605) Hero (BTN) ($1395) Blinds:$15/$30 Pre-flop: ($45, 2 players) Hero is BTN: Q, Q Hero raises to $78,calls $48 Flop: 8, 4, 6 ($156, 2 players) BB bets $60, Hero raises to $150, BB calls $90 Turn: 3 ($456, 2 players) BB checks, Hero bets $230, BB raises to $570, Hero raises to $1167 (All-in), BB calls $597 

Verso86's picture
Guys i am a new member. What

Guys i am a new member. What do you usually doing on turn?

happy's picture
if your readless then with

if your readless then with some disiplin i'm folding hes kinda screaming two pair + in my eyes, 

Verso86's picture
Thanks. Next time i will

Thanks. Next time i will fold.

thepuminator's picture
what is your reasoning behind

what is your reasoning behind making it 78 pre? It is just annoying and will mess with you calculating how much you need to bet in relation to the pot later on sometimes.On the flop he donks 60-156 making the pot 216, if you call the pot will be up to 276 and you are raising 90 more. Meaning you are giving him 5-1 which he call with pretty much any piece of the board. Make it something like 275-300 because there are lots of pair+draw combos or fd+2 overs and giving him excellent direct odds and some implied odds isn't a very good idea. Also if you make it more you have a psb on the turn making life much easier for you.On the turn, as played, it is an easy fold. However if you had made it more on the flop it is a easy bet/call or open jam.

Verso86's picture
Nice answer. Thanks a

Nice answer. Thanks a lot. The reason why i raised 78 it is our dynamic. He 3-bet me very often. If he 3-bet me this hand, i'll 4-bet him.Thanks for you about advice what should i do on the flop.  I have not thought that he received a good pot ods. I thought he had a flash draw... 

Valuelol's picture
Dont think thats an easy fold

Dont think thats an easy fold  readlessthink without history thats an easy call/raise. The call to call the river obv(might fold to a T of diamonds) and to induce further bluffs on the river. I prob. would tend to a raise here like it was played, so less behind, any draw will call, so many semi draws out there and we dont represent a necessarily a really strong range But i am a loose spewying monster anyways good luck  edit: as said above against a random who is in general more inclined to call than to raise a bigger flop raise is better herebut still think easy raise there on turn :)  

thepuminator's picture
How are we not repping a

How are we not repping a strong hand? We raised pre, raised the flop, and bet the turn. Dont really see how we can look any stronger, which makes villian's play even stronger unless he is leveling the shit outta us, which I doubt because of the way hero played the hand this shouldnt be high or medium stakes.

Valuelol's picture
@puminatorI just found

 I just found raising a flop-donk smallish as the preflop raiser isnt even in low stakes necessarily a sign of the strongest hand.And the turn cbet from this raise is very common aswell. For  verylow stakes it doesnt matter how our hand looks like, I would just the play our handstrength and I believe we are too strong here to fold the turn, villain could have anything here. All in all I have to admit that one can interpret this totally different aswell.But I think I am still fine how the hand played out, no offense to you, i see your point, just overweight other points mostly that our own hand is very strong and i guess much stronger than our "perceived range"(which in fact not always matters) here. Good luck all 

happy's picture
how does raising to 78 in any

how does raising to 78 in any way help  a 3bet / 4 bet dynamic ? 

Verso86's picture
We played only 20 hands, and

We played only 20 hands, and he had 3-bet range 30%. I hope, he 3-bet me again, and i do 4 bet shove.Why guys you don't like preflop raise like 78? In many videos i saw preflop raise on this blinds is 75 or 80 chips as usual.

Valuelol's picture
I am totally fine with

I am totally fine with raising 78 prethe flop raise is a bit small, you give the small  pair type hands good odds to improve.  but if you think you can induce a raise or a call with very weak hands even this is fine in my opinion.

thepuminator's picture
Verso, making it 60/75/80/90

Verso, making it 60/75/80/90 or w/e in that range is fine. Its not a big deal at all but when your making it weird numbers like that the pot size gets a little weird and when your looking at it later on you may make a mistake when calculating what % of the pot you want to bet. Also if your multi-tabling or if you plan on ever mult-tabling keeping things simple is what you want to do and making it 78 is just 1 more thing that might take up a couple extra seconds of thinking time.@value, how are we inducing with a small raise on the flop? The only hand that we are inducing from(that we beat) is 8x and that wont even raise that often. All of his pair+gutshots will flat, fd's will flat, middle and btm pair will flat. All of which we want to make pay so that he doesnt hit on the turn for very cheap and make a c/r that is basically min. It would be nice if the guy who played this hand told us how often villain was flatting his raises but he could even have something like 25 that hit a double gutter or 34/36/38 that we let peel the flop b/c of the small raise.