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modus operandi's picture
Questions for Croixdawg

Hi, just watched a couple of your videos.

- You seem to defend OOP alot wider than most other players who makes videos, such as with K5s, or 89o calling 3x at 25/50, and you do these with aggro players at the high stake who is most likely to cbet. Also you 3x alot from the button, even when the blind level is at 25/50.

Really interested on your take of raising sizes in regards to effective blinds/ blind levels, and your OOP calling ranges, to 2x/3x. and you also advocate 3 bet frequently compare to the other instructors, such as in one of videos, you raised 2 low gappers, and double barrled flop and turn with an open ended straight draw, he ended up having KT. i realize that this particular hand was just prolly for game flow, but i would still assume your standard 3 betting range is still lighter compare to other players?

 

thanks

RyPac13's picture
Croix is in London but

Croix is in London but should be back in the next two days.  I notice you asked similar questions in one of his video comment sections, so I just want to get back to you so you don't feel ignored.

modus operandi's picture
thanks for telling, i will

thanks for telling, i will be waiting for the response

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Answer

modus,
Yes I do defend with hands like 98 and k5s against certain players at 25/50.  Against a very nitty players I won't call with those hands nearly as often but against aggressive players who are min raising and 3x'ing at 25/50 then I won't fold every hand and won't be afraid to defend.  Min raises I will call an especially wide range, dumping hands like 83o t5o and j2o.  I will min raise sometimes myself on the button but feel comfortable sticking to 3x'ing a majority of the time, adjusting as I see fit.  If my opponent will just call my 3x and not shove often then I will keep playing 6bb pots and be able to play off of board texture.  I wouldn't advocate 3betting the 53o as I did in that hand.  I thought it was a good point in the match to put in a 3bet and hit a decent flop.  I didn't think he had a K+ and would risk his stack without a strong hand, and even if I did get called I had 8 outs.  When it works it looks like the right play and when he does have a king it looks foolish.
Jon

modus operandi's picture
thanks for the reply

what about 3betting ranges? how often do you advocate on 3 betting, and how wide is your normal range?
also looking forward to more videos :), preferrably 1 tabling for instructional purposes

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more on same subject

Really good question Modus. I noticed that many good players calls OOP a lot, which is propably for an added edge comapred to players who folds too easily and plays very positional as ex. I do.
Do you think calling could be good also at lower stakes, like 100$ or does this work better above 1k?
Im very uncomfortable callinig. Either I 3bet or fold. Do you think you can move up with this basic strategy to the high stakes?
im also looking forwards for the answers for the 3betting question.
Mike
 

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Good players calling OOP more often

Better players will generally have a bigger edge on their opponent which allows them to play more hands OOP profitably. In other words, some spots that would be a slightly -EV OOP call for a mediocre player could be slightly +EV for a good player. The buy-in level shouldn't be affecting your strategy in any case. It should be completely based off of stack sizes and your opponent.
I wouldn't suggest calling light OOP if you aren't comfortable playing out the hands. It would probably just result in you check/folding a lot of flops and destroying your equity.

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Coming up in the stakes, the

Coming up in the stakes, the first players I was most comfortable playing hands OOP against were the weak tight ones.
 
Coincidentally, these players actually often happen to be some of the biggest winners in the 5-30 dollar games, as a lot of players won't even bother playing big pots without a strong hand (exceptions do happen, if you constantly are betting huge and running them over they will loosen up some).
Even more often, these weak tight players are actually losing players bc they don't actually know how to play the strong hands when they get them and they sometimes get frustrated and lose patience, thus losing any justification of playing so nitty early on by not taking advantage of it by waiting for those good hands (if you wait 10 min. for a good hand and then say "screw it" and play bottom pair hard, you're not going to win).
So if you're lookign to get an idea of how to play hands OOP and haven't had much experience in doing so, first look for the really weak tight guys you can check raise and lead into with lots of fold equity.
 
 

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Playing Pots OOP

mige,
Personally I actually enjoy playing pots out of position because I can do a variety of things.  I can lead out strong in certain spots, weak lead hoping to get raised, weak lead to get a marginal or whiffed hand to fold and checkraise some standard cbets on certain boards.  Most competent players will raise from the button alot and fire out a cbet 75%+ of the time.  If you are defending wide, your opponent will find it very difficult to put you on a certain hand and won't always give you credit when you flop big or will give you credit when u bluff him and of course vice versa.  It takes experience to be able to differentiate what the optimal line is for alot of these OOP pots and to be able to spot tendencies in your opponent.  For a loose example, if an opponent will check behind a majority of the time when he flops an ace but will fire a cbet 100% of the time on an ace high flop without an ace, then you can begin to take advantage of his mechanical cbet pattern.  It also helps that competent players arent used to a better player having an ability to defend and play tough postflop.  Hope this helps.
Croix

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3betting Ranges

modus,
To begin I would just recommend a standard 3betting range which to me would be 88-AA, AK-AJ.  I deviate from this basic model and find it good to raise hands that flop well, hands like any paint suited and any paint with a 10 suited.  We have an advantage in a few ways by doing this.  First our opponent will fold a majority of the time, just giving us their 3BB's right there without any resistance.  Second, depending on the frequency that they call 3bets (if we have 3bet them previously and see their hand) we are able to make a general range of their hands and play the flop accordingly.  Third, even when they call a cbet with lets say..KQ, they will only pair up on the flop about 33% and flop a gutshot, open ender, flush draw, or straight less than 40% of the time, making our cbet on the flop profitable as well assuming they aren't a tricky player.  With a trickier player, I would base my 3bets alot on game flow and what type of metagame we have already played. 
I have a general theory that against a very bad player we don't want to put ourselves in many marginal spots and they won't adjust to situations and will play their cards for face value.  I'm much more apt to call a raise from a bad opponent with KJdd than 3bet it.  I want to control the pot alot more with a fish and only put in chips when I feel we lock city have the best hand.  Against better players I don't mind tango-ing in 3bet pots because it isn't something they are particularly used to playing against.  If we can throw them off of their game and 3bet with a wider range we can long term take an edge on them.
Croix

modus operandi's picture
Thank you for the replies

I understand where you are coming from.

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niceiq25's picture
3bets

but how do you choose the moments to cbet...in one of your replyes you said " it was a good time to 3bet" , what are the factors that determins you when to 3bet? .... thank you so much for your videos, make as many one table videos as you can, its easyer to follow your game and understand the game ...:)

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reply

what can I say, its great to post here 2 weeks ago and get no answer and also email croixdawg 2 times and still get no answer....I will keep posting here

PrimordialAA's picture
oops haha, I never saw this

oops haha, I never saw this response before so it's possible croix didnt either, not to mention he is super busy, but hopefully he'll come in and answer you, however my response to this would be that 'a good time', is based around game-flow. For instance if your opponent has folded to your first 3bet, and then shoved over your second one, on your very next 3bet your opponent is much less likely to shove over this if he isnt a maniac because your natural response when he shoves over your previous one is to tighten up and 3bet him to set him up next time. Again, if you had just folded or flatted your last 10 BBs in a row, then throwing out a 3bet vs someone who opens their button range, even if you have bad cards, could be good because you will very likely get credit for a pretty big hand

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Sorry he did not reply to

Sorry he did not reply to your post.
You bumped a thread over 1.5 months old, so sometimes it can be overlooked.

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Response

1mambo,
Sorry about the delayed response.  I didn't see this question until now and haven't had much time lately.  For future reference PM me if you have something specific to ask and I'll probably be able to answer your question fastest.  When I 3bet in an unconventional spot, I'm looking alot at game flow.  I will throw some of these in if my opponent is either really passive or raising every button and am looking to do so when stacks are pretty even (best with deeper effective stacks).  Against the passive player who puts in some button raises but is willing to check down and not barrel me, a well-timed 3bet will take his open down a very high %.  Against the opposite super aggressive player, we need to counter his aggression with some of our own and see how he responds.  I like to generally to this with big hands and pretty hands (ones that flop well like J9ss or QT).  Against players with really bad numbers I'm not looking to mix it up with these hands as we can really exploit them post flop and reduce our variance.  Hope this helped.
Jon

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thanx

thanx a lot guys