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cdon3822's picture
Thoughts on 3barrelling here?

What are your thoughts about 3barrel bluffing this board run out vs unknown villain's flop c/c range? 

 

No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players

$14.69+$0.31

Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter

SB Hero 410  
BB Qsypal 590  

Effective Stacks: 21bb

Blinds 10/20

Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)

Hero is SB

h6hT

Hero raises to 40, Qsypal calls 20

Flop (80, 2 players)

cAdQh5

Qsypal checks, Hero bets 40, Qsypal calls 40

Turn (160, 2 players)

h7

Qsypal checks, Hero bets 80, Qsypal calls 80

River (320, 2 players)

d9

Qsypal checks, Hero goes all-in 250, Qsypal calls 250

Final Pot: 820

Hero shows high card Ace

h6hT

Qsypal shows a pair of Queens

hQh4

Qsypal wins 820 ( won +410 )

Hero lost -410

Dipl.Komp.'s picture
i´d rather 3barrel when the

i´d rather 3barrel when the turn or river bring an overcard to the second highest card. a queen will very often call you down here. also: many villains will just flat small Ax PF.
 
 
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cdon3822's picture
Yer, I guess this is like AKx

Yer, I guess this is like AKx boards where the second pair is typically going to call down.
Not much threatens the Qx => it's either ahead or behind but only isolates itself against better hands by raising so prefers to c/c.
I don't think 5x calls the turn, which narrows villains' range to more hands that are calling the 3rd barrel on the river.
I'm only folding out 5x and some gutshot type holdings on the turn.
 
I think the 3barrel is a mistake vs the range villain gets to the river with.
And full credit to villain, I think he played the hand perfectly.
 
But what do you think about the turn 2barrel when I pick up a FD?
Folding out 5x, Kx and weak SDs that called the flop vs checking back and taking a free card on the river in position?

Dipl.Komp.'s picture
i think most 5s should

i think most 5s should already fold the flop. this really is a bad flop for a hand like 65, because you´ll have to give up on a later street so often that a call on the flop equals to burning money. i´d fold bottom pair on such a board pretty much always.
Kx also has quite a hard time calling the flop. it´s much better to float with Kx on a board like A73. if you have K8 for instance, you may have the best hand and if not, you still got as much as 6 outs (provided you´re not up against an A). whereas if you have K8 on AQ5, it´s different story. i don´t really like my K8 on such a board that much. Kx should call on that board more likely if it´s KJ or KT, meaning with a gutshot to accompany him (which often are 3bet PF though). i think villain´s range is pretty value heavy on that flop if he calls you. mostly Ax, Qx.
apart from that, players often xr gutshots with "unders" like JT, because such a hand is a little to weak to call.
 
checking back is an interesting option, mainly because when hitting your flush, it´s easier for you to get it in OTR vs a herocalling Q.

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Interesting thoughts about

Interesting thoughts about folding 5x on the flop.
I think that's a leak vs most villain open pre + cbet flop range.
We would be folding as much as 60% + equity against typical villains' ranges.
I think your concern of being barrelled into is a bit weak => if he's barrelling off a wide range, bluff catching becomes quite profitable.
It can be tough making these decisions with small samples to base your reads on though because if his 2barrel and 3barrel ranges do not have enough bluff : value holdings in them, you are spewing off chips by calling down. But most villains are opening wide enough preflop and cbetting basically their entire range on A high boards which means we more often than not are ahead here and it would be a mistake to simply c/f.
 
With respect to the turn decision, I think I like checking back and overbetting when I bink on the river.
Villain likely expects us to barrel our turned FDs and our bet check overbet line looks super bluffy and will be looked up enough to make it more profitable than a smaller bet.