Hi,in vid 17 by Mersenneary on BB endgame I missed a discussion of flatting BTN opens from BB at various stack depths.Yes, there were like 2 minutes at the end where Mers said 'we should not flat 2x'es <15 bb often' but i think there can be said a lot more on this subject.During the vid Mers also mentioned that our equity in the hand can not be easily calculated for scenario of flating OOP - thats true, but we still do flat sometimes so it is useful to think about when, why and what hands.I also think there would be interest in this subject from other guys here, considering discussion in forum here on this topic some time ago..- what ranges to flat vs open and why based on: raise size, villains tendencies, stackdepths... ; comparison to other options (but no more 3bet shoving math pls ;) ); maybe look into some data in PT3 / HEM to look for some evidenceIts just an idea, but this might be a very interesting topic of a future video.M.
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+1 I nevers flat a hand in my life , Maybe i need the tool for fix my game !
Thanks for the suggestion here.I talked to Mers about it a bit.We both did agree that he has discussed this sort of thing more than just in that video, so if you haven't watched all of his other videos yet, there should be some good material about flatting OOP at short to mid stacks in those videos.One hurdle is that it will probably require a ton of time for even somebody of Mers ability to really articulate and define clear ranges. It's not a very mapped out area of the game, it's so opponent dependent and isn't just as easy as figuring out an opening range (the opponent's postflop skill is a huge factor in determining what we can profitably call with, and from there variables like the sort of postflop lines you can take against various opponents come into play... it's just a ton of different information that leads into tons more and so on for a dedicated video).However, we're not going to just leave it at that. We're going to talk as a group (the coaches) and figure out who can best make a video like this, if anybody. If nobody is prepared to do something like this, I'm going to try to find somebody to do this.Please be patient though, this area of the game in particular is extremely difficult to understand and articulate properly and it likely requires a very successful $550+ caliber player to do so. I have no doubt that a number of our coaches can actually make this type of video, I'm just not sure anybody can do it in a short enough amount of time (basically it's not going to be worthwhile to spend 10 hours of resources or video making time on something like this, even if it's fairly valuable, we'll need to find a more efficient way to get quality concept specific content for OOP calling at mid to short stacks up if that's the case).
Thanks for answer Ryan, fair enough.I fully understand this is a very difficult topic to analyze, understand and make a video of (as opposed to e.g. 3bet shoving math..).If it was an easy one I would just do it by myself and not bother trying discussing my findings with other good players and in the end making a video request here :)I just felt this is a pretty unexplored area of the game video-wise.I understand making a video on the subject might not be feasible, so it would be great if there was other more efficient way to do this.Discussion (maybe in forums) come to mind, so in case some successful supturbo / turbo players are interested, just let me know.
Also thanks for pointing me to other videos.I found out this has been discussed quite a bit in statistical analysis video part 2 by Mers.Result has been that flatting minraises 15-25bb deep has better expectation than folding for a pretty wide range of hands, which is in line of what I found out on my data sample. Very good vid by the way. Unfortunately PT3's bug for filtering facing minraises makes the analysis a bit harder.