HiI've thoroughly enjoyed MJW006's vids - they have help me a lot in setting up my ranges and understanding HU SNG's. One question remains at the moment - what constitutes a high percentage in various aspects of the villain's game from the point of view of startiing to adjust my own ranges e.g.if villain flats a high % of our openings ...if villain 3-bets a high % of our openings...if villain is lfoating a high % ...if villain is opening a high % ...if villain cbets a high % ...or any others you can think off. I understand the adjustments to be made in each case, I just need to know what the criteria are to start making those adjustments.Many thanks in advanceDoclands
I really hope different coaches weigh in on this thread and give their percentages and why. I am really curious to read their answers. I am guessing that the percentages will vary a bit depending on the playing style of the person. I am sure that the adjustment line will be a smaller percentage for skates than it will be for MWJ006.I am posting my percentages just to compare to the good players who respond. Please contact a professional before considering using anything I post in this thread.Flatting - 30% _ 50%. Based on all the out of position opening hand range charts I have seen, and video discussion I have heard, this seems to be a good place to start adjusting. Over this percentage I consider loose, under I consider tight and make adjustments accordingly3bet - It appears that most videos encourage us to 3bet about 9% -15%. So I use 15% as the adjustment line. Over 15% I consider aggressive, less than 8% I consider tight, in between the two I consider normalFloating - You can only flop a pair, over pair or a draw about 50% of the time if I remember correctly. So I use 50% as the adjustment line. Over 50% I consider excessive and make the adjustmentOpening Range - Based on In Position starting hand charts and video discussion 65% - 70% seems to be the adjustment line. Higher I consider loose and lower i consider tight and adjust accordinglyC-BETs - We only flop a pair about 35% of the time. We only flop a pair, over pair or draw about 50% of the time if I remember corectly. As a result I use 35% - 50% as the adjustment line. Over 50% and they are floating me to much. Less than 35% I consider them tight floaters and in between I consider normal.Once again please consult a professional before accepting or using these numbers PaulIB_FishingWondering how much the good players percentages differ from mine
Thanks Paul - your ideas/logic seem very useful! I too hope that some of the trainers, especially MJW006, give us their ideas of when the percentages become significant. I would suggest that there should be 2 cbet percentages - one for Dry and one for Wet boards.CheersDoclands
Paul, your #s look generally good, and I don't like to get specific as there's a lot of details that changes things (various open sizing, cbet sizing, what they do after they float the flop, how often they 3bet AND call OOP rather than looking at one or the other).One question, your c-bet and floating description looks the same, as if you are cbetting in both cases and your opponent is OOP. Was I mistaken?
I don't want to deflect the aim of this post - but I have seen several differing definitions of 'float' - what does it mean in a HU SNG scenario?
@rypac, you are not mistaken. I wrote it wrong. I did write it as if opponent is out of position in both cases. That is why we need you good players posting in these threads.I don't have any percentages to use when opponent is floating to much because I play a tight range out of position. As a result I would play back based on game flow and hand equity. BAM
Float can be loosely used a lot of times, but basically when an opponent calls without a pair or draw or realistic showdown value in a hand.JTo calling a cbet on a Q74 rainbow board would be considered a float. Now, we often use this term when anybody calls, that's technically incorrect I believe. We also often use it for A or K hi "calls" which may or may not be technically correct.But basically calling with a fairly weak hand or calling in a situation we don't deem to be correct. Kind of loose wording and meaning.Paul, I generally like to stay away from percentages and think more about the hands we see them call with and the situations they are calling in.Even if we cannot see their showdown hand, if they are calling most of the time you cbet on boards you don't think they hit (a 50% OOP caller preflop likely does not hit low card boards a high % of the time, so seeing them call a cbet 3 out of 3 times makes me believe they call the cbets with some weak hands, naked over cards for instance, A hi at best when they don't pair up).It kind of goes hand in hand with HUD stats. Try not to use the stats number for number, and try to use observation first. For example, if a player 3bets you 3x in 3 instances, but you see his hand is AQ each time, it's very wrong to assume he's 3betting 40% of hands, let alone 100%. You can apply this basic example into other situations to see why observation is king and purely looking at stats can be very detrimental, especially in single games vs new opponents.