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dzikijohnny's picture
What exactly is meant by "hands that play well post-flop" and "not easily dominated"?

I am still a little confused by these exact terms.I assume Arag is an example of them both.  What else?

thepuminator's picture
Ace rag does not play well

Ace rag does not play well postflop and is easily dominated. An example would be KQ it plays very well post flop and is only dominated by AK,AQ, and AA-QQ.

dzikijohnny's picture
What other hands are like

What other hands are like that?  Is KJ?

thepuminator's picture
yea stuff like KJ and QJ

yea stuff like KJ and QJ arent easily dominated. A hand like A4 is dominated by A5-AK and 44-AA, or a hand like 56 is dominated by 57+,67+,and 55+. And obviously hands like KQs, QJs, and KJs play better than the unsuited versions.

RyPac13's picture
It mostly applies to deeper

It mostly applies to deeper stacked play.  If you're 10bb deep, you won't really care much if J2 is dominated on a J43 board, whereas 75bb deep it is imperative to be thinking about that.So if you have a hand such as K2o, it's not going to be a great hand to play OOP facing a 3x raise on the first hand because it is often dominated (and can lose a ton of chips to) by stronger Kx hands such as K7, or really any king where the kicker can play and win the pot while having a pair of kings with you.Not only that, but the fact that you can be dominated will also force you to play more for pot control/less aggressive and value betting than you might want to do, causing you to lose value to weaker hands while you protect your weak kicker top pair.Semi related, but other reasons for not playing a dominated kicker hand on the first hand facing a 3x raise would be 1) No reads on your opponent to narrow their range down/apply appropriate lines/decisions 2) OOP, being out of position is a much bigger disadvantage deeper, as it's easier for your opponent to get value out of you and harder for you to do the same.But to direclty answer your question:Think about what kinds of pots you often pick up for value.  Q2o is only getting value when you make a queen as a pair, and you can still lose to stronger Qx hands.  QT, however, can make a straight, strong pairs with Tx and Qx that are also not as often dominated by the same pairs with stronger kickers.  So that's what people will generally mean when they say "that hand plays well/poorly postflop."Puminator's points are also good.