Yeah, to correct, misread hand, def have to fold to this overbet given 8x in his range.

I lead 2 and 4, fine with checking 1 and 3.

Interesting ...If we check hand 1 and he bets, are we check/folding, check/calling or check/raising ?  My default would be a check/raise since he doesn't really rep anything.Hand 3, do we check/call or check/raise ?  Here, my default is to check/call since this board hits more of his range and I have a flush draw that I don't want to get 3bet off.With the 88, I'd never consider anything other than check/calling.  My reasoning is that checking twice oop looks very weak, so he's probably betting with close to his entire range and we have showdown value.  When we lead and he flats, what's or plan otr ?  And I assume we'd lead/fold here, right ?

Btw. really like your idea of posting standard spots, Yoni.  I think I need to do that in my thread as well.

1.Same villian, very next hand (unknow villain) BBguilliz761585  SBHero1415  Effective Stacks: 47bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players)   Hero is SB   Hero raises to 60, guilliz76 calls 30     Flop (120, 2 players)   guilliz76 bets 30, Hero raises to 90   Raising the flop vs the mindonk is pretty much my std here. I think the population tendancy is that flop mindonks are weak. If villian calls and checks the turn I'm barreling any 9/T/7 for value and basically any overcard to the 8. I'm not sure about clubs that dont improve us, like Qc, you think it's still good to barrel those?If villian calls and mindonks, say, an offsuit K turn (that happens too), do we flat and see a river, or raise again, trying to force him off what seems to be a weakish hand/draw? Mers: Good question with the T9. I think raising the mindonk is good but I'd make it a little bigger. Remember the Qc does give us additional equity as now we have a double gutter. I think I usually flat a second mindonk in both situations. Qc very close in deciding whether to barrel or notWhat about consistency? We would raise big the flop and then flat a second mindonk? Our hand looks so weak... I don't like this line... Would yousexplain a little more the turn mindonk flat after we raised big on the flop?   2.Villian limps his entire playing range. He's quite fit or fold vs my stabs in limped pots so far, and I stole many of those. He's also very stationy preflop, he called a minraise 11BB deep with 72o and limp/called quite a bit throughout the match. A pretty awful player overall. If I check the flop he checks back almost always. he does openshove the flop from time to time in spots like this, but I didn't get to see with what hands and I'm guessing it's a pretty strong range. What do we do when we flop good equity this short? If I lead I have enough equity to call the jam, so why not just openshove it and get maximum fold equity? How about playing passively and trying to hit vs some1 who's likely to check back a ton? If he cbets we can assume around zero fold equity imo vs this guy. Villian has 690 left going to the flop. Effective Stacks: 5bb Blinds 80/160 Pre-Flop (240, 2 players)   Hero is BB   guilliz76 calls 80, Hero checks       Flop (320, 2 players)  If he is so passive why we aren't pushing pre? Assuming 0 equity (which obv is not possible) he have to fold 1 out of 3 times to make our shove even. IMO, his range contains a lot of thrash and low/mid holdings and maybe since on his decision depends his stack maybe he will fold little slighty better hands than ours.This hand make me think about something... I'll put in my thread 3.Villian is a -1% ROI solid fish who puts a lot of volume and plays ok for the most part. He's kinda loose but also has a fold button. I haven't been out of line so far. what do u think about the DB here? Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHarpyie601650  SBHero1350  Effective Stacks: 45bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players)   Hero is SB   Hero raises to 60, Harpyie60 calls 30     Flop (120, 2 players)   Harpyie60 checks, Hero bets 60, Harpyie60 calls 60     Turn (240, 2 players)   Harpyie60 checks, Hero bets 180     I don't think villian calls the flop with 1 card gutter unless he also got a pair. I think a DB here is rly scary for his range. My plan is to give up on all rivers I miss. And in general I would like to know your opinion on barreling a turn that brings the 4th broadway card after cbetting, esp vs regs or villians with a fold button, because in general we'll have much more str8's than villian in this spot. Mers: Approve When OP said "I don't think villain calls the flop with 1 card gutter unless he also got a pair" I think he's right, but what about our flop bet given that board? We should bet any pair I think, but check most times when the 4straight comes on the turn... If we want ti rep a straight we should think what J we got, we could have JT and obv bet the flop for value because any pairs' calling, a pair + gutter, but imo nothing else... So I like to check back and bet the river most of the times, it seem to me more believeable  4.Alright so I'm warring it out with a 55$ reg on FTP lately. I don't have much experience in turbos but I think I'm better than him at da pokarz so it's not that bad. Basically I'm playing rly laggy and running him over for the most part. His BB VPIP is only 40% but his 3bet is 20%, I know I should keep opening every hand but the thing is I want to play back at his 3bets as well. At 15/30 he 3bets 5BB, from 60 to 150, and I'm trying to develop a 4bet-to-270 range for that spot bcz I have somewhat of a feeling about when he's light and when he's strong and I want to use that without jamming at the 38-50 BB range. He would 3bet all std value hands obv and then A5o/A2o/T9o stuff that people usually flat. So I 4bet small with 77+ AQ+ and some some speculative hands that are not good enough to call a 3bet. otf I cbet like 190 into 600 and I think he's playing FOF for the most part otf but would prob jam any pair cuz I'm rly aggro and he's sick of me lol. What kind of adjustment would you make after you see this hand? Up until now he folded twice, called once and c/jam flop (I folded). The time he flatted I assume he did 3bet kinda light bcz he'd def jam over anything but QQ-AA that he might flat (some of the time). this is my 4th 4bet.  Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBthejokenott1600  SBHero1400  Effective Stacks: 47bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players)   Hero is SB   Hero raises to 60, thejokenott raises to 150, Hero raises to 270, thejokenott calls 120   Flop (540, 2 players)   thejokenott checks, Hero bets 220, thejokenott goes all-in 1330, Hero goes all-in 910   Turn (3000, 2 players, 2 all-in)     River (3000, 2 players, 2 all-in)     Final Pot: 3000   thejokenott shows a pair of Fours     Hero shows a straight, Seven high    Hero wins 2800 ( won +1400 ) thejokenott lost -1400     Alright so obv the 3bet/call pre is horrible on his part. And I'm happy to see A5 cuz its basically tells me I was right 4 out of 4 times about him being light, which is pretty good given he's not 3betting like a monkey. I want to utilize that edge. I rly think that he's the type of player to never come over the top with a 5bet bluff, and that's why I like 4betting him. I think if I got him to a point where he puts his stack so light vs me I already won the war bcz in reality I'm rly not all that spewy as he thinks. Or am I? Cliffs: non-allin-4betbluff range in turbos vs 5bb 3bets early on. Go or no go?mmm, this 3/4 dynamic is interesting but it has some leaks imo... may I post and discuss a 2+2 article in a theory thread? It relates on these strategies and I think it shoul be very helpful  5.Say we play a 55$ FTP turbo game. first hand we minraise, villian folds. second hand villian minraises his button. third hand we raise, villian 3bets. 1. What in your opinion should be our 4betting range and our defending range, if villian 3bets from 60 to 180, 50BB stacks. 2. What should be our folding range vs a 3bet from 60 to 120.Mers: 4-bet jamming range: something like 22+, AJs+, AQo+. Flatting range: A8o-AJo, A2s-ATs, K9o+, K8s+, Q9o+, Q8s+, J9o+, J7s+, T9o, T7s+, 96s+, 86s+, 75s+, 65s Something like that. Some wiggle room in there for sure. That's for 180. I think the ranges are changing depends on the population tendencies... I recently filter out 3bet pots (when I flat 3bets IP), and I find out I'm losing with hands like Q9, J8 and similar holdings... Where I'm playing (and of course random fishes of all around the world) tend to 3bet a value range, flatting marginal holdings could lead into dangerous spots, because if we flop top pair many times we would commit many chips to find out we are beat. Readless I would fold J9 and other holdings,  I think we need a little more info in order to call 3bets with a range that does ok with villain 3bet range...

"What about consistency? We would raise big the flop and then flat a second mindonk? Our hand looks so weak... I don't like this line... Would yousexplain a little more the turn mindonk flat after we raised big on the flop? "It's my experience that when people minbet/call a significant raise and then fire out a minbet on the turn, they very often call another raise. You can raise again to set up a triple barrel, but I wouldn't expect to fold out too much here. Just because it's frustrating to just call such a weak play doesn't mean it's not correct.

"If he is so passive why we aren't pushing pre? Assuming 0 equity (which obv is not possible) he have to fold 1 out of 3 times to make our shove even. IMO, his range contains a lot of thrash and low/mid holdings and maybe since on his decision depends his stack maybe he will fold little slighty better hands than ours."With reads that he's stationy preflop, as he gave, I don't think it's correct to jam 92.

I disagree with you that checking back turn and betting river makes the bluff more believable on the AKQT. I think when you check back turn, most fish will think "ok, so I was right and he didn't have anything", and then betting river is suspicious to them. I'm betting Jx every single time on the turn.

"mmm, this 3/4 dynamic is interesting but it has some leaks imo... may I post and discuss a 2+2 article in a theory thread? It relates on these strategies and I think it shoul be very helpful "of course

Quick check about your 3-bet analysis: Remember that the expectation from folding is losing your initial raise. Did you factor that in when deciding whether your 3bet call was "making money"? It can show us having a negative expectation by a good margin but still be correct to call.

It's my experience that when people minbet/call a significant raise and then fire out a minbet on the turn, they very often call another raise. You can raise again to set up a triple barrel, but I wouldn't expect to fold out too much here. Just because it's frustrating to just call such a weak play doesn't mean it's not correct.k, now does make sense :) I disagree with you that checking back turn and betting river makes the bluff more believable on the AKQT. I think when you check back turn, most fish will think "ok, so I was right and he didn't have anything", and then betting river is suspicious to them. I'm betting Jx every single time on the turn.of course you are betting every time Jx, on the turn, but in order to do that you gotta have one in your range... what Jx do you have when you bet the flop and double barrel the turn? Villain is -1% ROI so not total retarded, I expect that flop to him, so I don't mind check back my Jx, there's no need to bet imo, that flop hit's a large part of his calling range preflop (the only hands we are able to fold are 78,65 things like that)  With reads that he's stationy preflop, as he gave, I don't think it's correct to jam 92.I don't know about that, yes he's stationy but station doesn't mean "crazy". He like to see flops, but he's willing to commit his stack with a Jx,Qx hand? And even if we do we are still alive... 5-8 BBs deep is going to be ok when we are shoving over limps imo, maybe this could be a though for one of you next article :p of course (regarding the 3/4 bet article)Ok, I will open up the thread  Quick check about your 3-bet analysis: Remember that the expectation from folding is losing your initial raise. Did you factor that in when deciding whether your 3bet call was "making money"? It can show us having a negative expectation by a good margin but still be correct to call.Mmm, the definition of EV allow us to consider a fold a 0EV choice... Maybe I should do another analysis... I should filter all villiain 3bet pots, and compare the chips win/lost with a particular hand facing a 3bet... maybe that sounds better... 

To the question of "What Jx do you have in your range?", the answer is every single one! I think not c-betting Jx is a mistake. There's a lot of value to folding out his decent equity rather than letting it hit or bluff the turn, and while Ax/Kx/Qx are in his range, they aren't as big of a portion of it as you seem to think.It sounds like you may not c-bet enough, but I'll go to your thread and ask you a question there about that.To the EV question, it simply doesn't make sense to compare the equity from calling a 3bet against 0EV in the hand. If we're not calling, we're folding, which loses us 2bb from the start of the hand (or 3bb if we're 3xing, whatever).Not doing so would be saying we should only call hands OOP that we have positive expectation from the start of the hand. This isn't true. Read the article on not calling too wide OOP again - even though we're losing 60bb/100 and way in the red playing these hands, we'd be far, far worse in the red if we were folding them. That's the same idea when it comes to calling 3bets. We're comparing against folding, a bad outcome itself.

To the question of "What Jx do you have in your range?", the answer is every single one! I think not c-betting Jx is a mistake. There's a lot of value to folding out his decent equity rather than letting it hit or bluff the turn, and while Ax/Kx/Qx are in his range, they aren't as big of a portion of it as you seem to think. It sounds like you may not c-bet enough, but I'll go to your thread and ask you a question there about that.I'm cbetting a very high percentage of the time, I can't tell you the exact percentage because I'm reimporting all the hands into a new database, I will tell you asap  Not doing so would be saying we should only call hands OOP that we have positive expectation from the start of the hand. This isn't true. Read the article on not calling too wide OOP again - even though we're losing 60bb/100 and way in the red playing these hands, we'd be far, far worse in the red if we were folding them. That's the same idea when it comes to calling 3bets. We're comparing against folding, a bad outcome itself.Ok I will do :)

I'd call the turn, but you're right that it's close. I'd probably fold to 225.

Interesting hand. I'm OK with the flop flat, although the flush draw is a nice reason to raise, I usually make it 280 here and expect a lot of his Ax and of course his pocket pairs to come along.Turn is close as well, I agree with flatting if you take this line if there were no diamond or you have a decent one, as you noted, it's awkward/close without one.Jamming is fine when you get to the river, I think that's what I'd do. I expect him to call with almost all paired hands, but I could see how 480 might get value from ace high, etc. 280 may also induce.Three close spots.

That's basically it, and just a villain who has previously shown a bluff instinct/attacking weakness instinct.

6.Villian is a reg. His fold to cbet is 35% over 120 hands with flop c/r of 19%. Std calldown?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$50.00+$2.02 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBYashiro821970  SBHero1030  Effective Stacks: 26bb Blinds 20/40Pre-Flop (60, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 80, Yashiro82 calls 40  Flop (160, 2 players) Yashiro82 checks, Hero bets 80, Yashiro82 raises to 200, Hero calls 120  Turn (560, 2 players)Yashiro82 goes all-in 1690, Hero goes all-in 750MERS: I'm fine with calling down with the A7. Any shorter and the flop would be a jam rather than a flat. 19% c/r is huge... btw I'm not confident in this spot. He could have anything value/draws/air. Shoving here allow him to fold his bluff. I like call the flop and call the shove on the turn if the draw misses... The main thing is our middle pair... I really hate to call down the turn if a high card hits... what do you think about call te shove if a draw misses instead of shoving flop? And if a high card hits, do your plan changes? 7.If someone is folding to 3bets a very good amount, say 80%, do you change your value 3betting range, or do you only add bluffs?Mers: I include more value 3betting hands as well when my opponent is opening a lot/folding a lot to 3bets. The reason why is that while a hand like KTo plays well OOP, +2bb in expection is pretty damn good getting folds preflop, and it's very valuable to get them and play pretty well when he calls. I'm also 3betting more bluff hands, too, of course.If someone fold that wide, I expected him to jam when he got a hand that crush us. I would 3bet the very top and my bottom range... so my 3bet range would include many more bluff than value hands, since I want to take advantage of the FE. Why we should 3bet KT if we are planning to fold on a shove? It's a lot better flat these types of holdings imo ... so we will maintein the a very good equity vs his range, and we should use a polarized 3bet range... what do you think? 7.6th hand into the match, OOP villian flatted twice, once donked 1/2 pot and once c/folded.IP he limped and folded to my flop stab on KJJ, limped Q4o and checked it down on J8T8T, and raise 3x pre with 57o, checking down AK5xx board to showdown.Pre I think is std. otf I think calling is better than raising. ott I'm lost between calling again or just giving up. I don't know how much value I'm going to get from his range if I hit the river, and obv I dont have direct odds to call.No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$57.67+$2.33 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBDarryl-Aces1540  SBHero1460  Effective Stacks: 73bb Blinds 10/20Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB  Hero raises to 40, Darryl-Aces raises to 80, Hero calls 40   Flop (160, 2 players)  Darryl-Aces bets 60, Hero calls 60   Turn (280, 2 players) Darryl-Aces bets 180, Hero calls 180  River (640, 2 players) Darryl-Aces bets 560, Hero folds   Final Pot: 1200Darryl-Aces wins 1200 ( won +320 )Hero lost -320Mers: I'd call the turn, but you're right that it's close. I'd probably fold to 225. Obv depends on the villain range, because if he's got a value hands like overpairs, we don't get the immediate odds to call but we'll get al least one one big bet on the river so we should call... I think he got more value hands than bluffs in his range so I'm toward calling, but I don't know... that 3bet could be anything, be since he's a maniac giving the infos, I think he got value hands here most of the times and I think our call would be +ev. But again it exclusively depends on villain range... 

"Why we should 3bet KT if we are planning to fold on a shove?"Same reason why we raise for value and fold to further aggression in any other situation where that's the case. The value that we get outweighs the downside from getting shoved on and us folding against the too strong range that does that.

Same reason why we raise for value and fold to further aggression in any other situation where that's the case. The value that we get outweighs the downside from getting shoved on and us folding against the too strong range that does that.Ok, I undestand that... but I think the main thing here is the villain sb opening range...if he's opening 100% and folding to 3bet 80%, we could flat KT that does really well against his range, while, we could 3bet weak hands in order exploit him... what do you think? The choice between flatting and 3betting with KT depends on the opening range and obv his fold to 3bet right?

Definitely, and also how much he'll adapt to wider 3betting percentages.btw, let's take this discussion into your thread, shall we?

Looks like I missed these posts, it will happen from time to time, apologies. As mentioned before, in the future just bump it to the front, no need for "???". I'm not intentionally ignoring you :p. Also please check the top thread for status updates.

"1. What information are you taking from the hand I described? Obv it's a non-standard line that doesn't make sense too much with any possible holding. The reason I'm asking this is because I want to see if my though process is correct. The fact that villian 3betted my first open and took a strange line IP 4 hands into the match makes me think that the likehood of him having more bluffs in his range when he c/raises me in hand 5 on TT3, is pretty good, compared to some1 who folded pre in all 4 hands, for example. How much should it affect my decision making on the flop?"It makes it somewhat more likely, but pretty marginal. I would overread into it. He easily could have had J5/Q5/55 or something like that.With no info it's definitely just a spot to give up, the hand doesn't change any of that. At the very least when you make this play you shouldn't have a deuce in your hand because of your decreased equity vs 3x, might as well make this play with 45 instead. He needs to be pure bluffing like 45% of the time here and folding to the raise which I don't think it correct.

I'd bet the river small against both with the 8h, more likely to check behind against the reg though, who will know to trap with his big hearts much better than fish understand that. There are only 3 hearts we beat though, so a bet is pretty thin, and I'd check behind the 7h.

"1. Cbetting more than 1/2 pot when we have air in a spot we feel villian is likely to c/r bluff us. For example vs an aggro reg who's c/ring dry flops, when we have 32s on T46r, and we've been cbetting 1/2 pot so far, what do you think about c-bettinng 100 into 160 instead of 80? obv we can only use it rarely esp vs some1 who takes notice but in the context of the hand it might be best."I do this a good bit as a reverse tell against thinking aggro players who will identify your bet size and think about what it means (it generally means a bigger hand for most). "2. Cbetting less than 1/2 pot on rly dry flops when short stacked, where 1/2 pot is more than what it takes."Yes, you should be doing this. "3. cbetting less than 1/2 pot to induce."Also appropriate with reads, not generally advisable readless in single raised pots. Very often optimal in 3bet pots with your whole range on dry boards.