Hi. I am pretty aware that the question of what is better, reg speeds or turbos, has been asked many, many times. I am not after a lengthy assessment, a comment on hourlys or, indeed, a 2+2ers thoughts from 2007. In fact, I would go further to say that the vids on this site have been so fantastic, that I just want to make sure I push on in the best way, so any comment form Ry in particular would be great ;).But if possible, what I am after from you intelligent people, is an accurate comment on what is better for me right here in 2011. I'll assess how I feel and please let me know of my inaccuracies.1) I have a good edge at reg speeds (15% at the 3s), but due to work commitments, my volume isn't great, so I feel that reg speeds are holding back more rapid progress.2) Obviously my edge will be much less at turbos (guessing 7% roi at the turbos is achievable till the 50s for your average guy/learner), but reg speed games dont go off much at the higher stakes, so it seems to me that I am better off getting used to the turbo structure now.3) I probably have a medium tolerance to tilt, so not too bad. But the key thing to me is that average reg speeds are about 18 mins at the moment! So maybe I get too emotionally invested in a game when it goes beyond a certain point.4) Maybe - and this is the point I would love a pro to give me their thoughts on - I am flawed in thinking this, but I imagine, long term, fish gravitate more to turbos that reg speeds. If I was at the 20s, I would image there would generally be more fish at the turbos than the reg speeds (I suppose the fish in hypers play their part in makring me think this).***So as you can see, I am leaning towards changing my game type. So, mixed issues but after a good start, the last thing I want to do is give up because I got bored/tilted/learnt the wrong game type/poor volume. Any thoughts welcome.Thanks
Hyper turbos have all the weaker players at the moment. I'd strongly consider learning those.
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Fair point but what do we think long-term? Fair to say fish lose their money quicker at the hypers and will revert to turbos?
No, turbos seem boring once you've played a bunch of hypers. There's no going back.
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Ok but from what I have read, I see a lot of players are seeing fish burn through money. I can understand the allure of the hypers, but surely it isn't sustainable?!
I wouldn't worry so much about losing action in regular speeds for awhile.You're a lower volume player and you're at the $3s, so it's very unlikely that you can reach $50/100s with low volume within a year (even with a decent heater, I wouldn't expect any higher than $30s-50s unless you increase volume, I'm assuming you don't play more than 10-15 hours per week).Hypers are fine, but you're already winning in regular speeds. I do agree with Cog about the fish moving to hypers, but that's probably just a $50+ level thing, the players that play the $10 no blind increase are probably just as big of fish as regular speed as turbo as hypers at the low levels.If you plan on increasing volume, I really think you should consider Cog's advise. If you don't, I would really suggest just sticking with what is working, since you'll likely have fishy action in the regular speeds for 6-12 more months, maybe longer, depending on your success.Adjusting your expectations can also help with tilt. As a low volume, part time player, you can't expect miracles to happen and you really have to have a tough mentality to deal with downswings that will last a lot longer in real time than they do for grinders (if you play 100 games a month versus a grinder playing 800, your 100 buyin breakeven stretch will last a month, their's will last 3-4 days... it's a lot harder to deal with the month part if poker is a big part of your life but you aren't playing that much volume). Just be realistic about your expectations.It's a good sign that you're already winning a solid rate though. I see a lot of players that only play 100-200 games per month, they even study with other players but just aren't moving up at a rapid pace and they get very discouraged and frustrated. But 10 hours a week of playing really makes it difficult to have consistent success (unless you have a job in financial trading or you coach or you study like a maniac outside of that playing time, which is not too common in these situations).
Thanks Ry, much appreciated. Makes sense. Yeah I mean I probably play 15 hours a week most weeks. I am rather put off the hypers for the time being. Apart from anything else, they mean I'd probably have to play even more volume and combined with learning the nuances of a new game, I think I am better off leaving them for the moment.I think it is worth remembering to be realistic about what I can achieve with 200ish games a month. I think the main decision for me is whether I would move up quicker with reg speeds or turbos. My immediate worry is that I'll get a bit bored of the stakes - I would love to just reach the 30s or something like that. I guess it is just a case of working out how to get there best with 15 hours a week. My win rate is pretty good at the reg speeds, but volume is low and the dilemma stemmed from when I played a couple of turbos and the opponent's just handed me the game in about 5 mins as opposed to about 20!