Hi,
This hand just came up, and I couldnt count the outs and calculate the odds quick enough !
Wha kind of Zen like method / Training do I need to do to be able to do this in the heat of the moment ?
And of course... was I wrong or right to fold ?
Seat 1: Dimon1982x (370 in chips)
Seat 2: TheCleaner01 (630 in chips)
Dimon1982x: posts small blind 10
TheCleaner01: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TheCleaner01 [5d 3d]
Dimon1982x: calls 10
TheCleaner01: checks
*** FLOP *** [3c 6h 8d]
TheCleaner01: bets 20
Dimon1982x: raises 330 to 350 and is all-in
TheCleaner01: folds
Uncalled bet (330) returned to Dimon1982x
Dimon1982x collected 80 from pot
Dimon1982x: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 80 | Rake 0
Board [3c 6h 8d]
Seat 1: Dimon1982x (button) (small blind) collected (80)
Seat 2: TheCleaner01 (big blind) folded on the Flop
(p.s Sorry I tried for 10min to get the hand converted properly but... couldnt get it to work. )
Good fold. You will be up against overpairs alot, and even if you´re not, your not a huge favourite anyways.
Hi here's another one.
Hand 20 of the match, 3.50 level.
villain is all in or fold previous hands,
*********** # 20 **************
PokerStars Hand #96476352363: Tournament #712610421, $3.40+$0.10 USD Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level II (15/30) - 2013/04/01 2:50:44 ET
Table '712610421 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: jason13-2008 (550 in chips)
Seat 2: TheCleaner01 (450 in chips)
jason13-2008: posts small blind 15
TheCleaner01: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TheCleaner01 [Th Jd]
jason13-2008: raises 30 to 60
TheCleaner01: calls 30
*** FLOP *** [9c 8s 6d]
TheCleaner01: bets 60
jason13-2008: raises 430 to 490 and is all-in
TheCleaner01: folds
Uncalled bet (430) returned to jason13-2008
jason13-2008 collected 240 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 240 | Rake 0
Board [9c 8s 6d]
Seat 1: jason13-2008 (button) (small blind) collected (240)
Seat 2: TheCleaner01 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Im guessing I have 14 outs and a 29% chance of hitting my card by the river.
3x tens, 3x jacks, 4x Queens, 4x sevens, 14 outs. 52-5=47 47/14= 29%
I think there is 330 left in my stack to call his all in shove at this point, how do I calculate this last part of the sum, quick !??
Thanks for any help,
Go forth and CRUSH !
And I think he may of connected with the flop and have have top pair, a pair of nines ? I don't think he would jam with a possible flush draw and I don't think he's holding any high pocket pairs in his hand or I think he would have jammed per flop judging by his previous behaviour ???
Go forth and CRUSH !
You have two overs and an open ender, bet folding this flop with these stack sizes is a sin.
I knew it would be painfull. Thanks for the comment.
Go forth and CRUSH !
If it makes you feel any better, you have way more than 29% chance to hit. 29% is your chance to hit from flop to turn but usually after the turn there is a river. ;)
Hi.
Barrin, Dear Friend, Could you take me through how you would claculate this in terms of Pot Odds ?
I get stuck often in these spots where theres so many outs going on my brain just shuts down, how would you approach a situation like this ?
Would you calculate ? Im trying to be sensible, without being nitty, and not just call a shove where ever, Im trying to think it through, But i dont have a thought process I can follow that I can excecute quickly and work out the math.
Really appreciate it if someone could walk me through this.
Sorry for being such a Math retard.
Thanks.
Go forth and CRUSH !
There are 52 cards in the deck. 3 you know (the flop) + another 2 (your whole cards).
52 - 3 - 2 = 47 cards
14 cards would improve your hand.
47-14 = 33 cards would not improve your hand.
If you want to make it the easy way you just calculate street by street:
100 / 47 = 2.12 % of a specific card (f.e. the Ace of hearts) to hit with the turn card.
2.12 * 14 (your outs) = 29.68% (your chance to hit from flop to turn)
2.12 * 28 (because 2 cards - the turn and the river card are dealt) = 59.36% to hit one of your outs.
During the game this math is way to complicated. So players are normally useing the times 2 and times 4 rule.
How to use it:
Your outs * 2 = Your chance to hit from the flop to the turn or the chance to hit from turn to river
Your outs * 4 = Your chance to hit from flop to the river
This rule gets inaccurate when you are useing it with more than 15 outs but in heads up, if you have more than 15 outs on the flop you call anyways, so it is not really important.
This is now very simple. Of course, if you are doing a detailled session analysis you need to go deeper. F.e.: if you chase a flush draw and the board paris with the turn your fd might be worthless because your opponent could have a FH. But this is nothing you should worry about right now.
Hi.
Thank You Barrin.
I'm so glad to see that so clearly explained once and for all, but one thing more, how then do I calculate the % to call the raise amount to know if I'm good ?
Its been killing me, searching through forums, and reading the same sh*t over and over agiain.
But not knowing really the best way to execute it in the game.
I know, I should know this, but I can't get it.
Again thanks Barrin and the HUSNG community.
Go forth and CRUSH !
Check out this: http:// blog.husng.com/poker-strategy/596/
Hi.
Your a Gentalman ! Excellent reply.
Thankyou.
Go forth and CRUSH !
Are a chick and/or hitting on me? Because the chance for this to work out are <1%
Hi.
Just milking u for what I can baby !
Go forth and CRUSH !