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modus operandi's picture
Regarding End Game

Great video on end game rypac.

 

regarding end game, and effective stacks, do we use the smaller stack size after blind posting  or prior? Eg. if the smaller stack is 1100, and have 100 posting already in front of it, do we say that the effective stack size is 11BB? or is it 12BB? it makes a bit of a difference in using the nash Chart.

rumrumrumrum's picture
I think it's the stack size

I think it's the stack size after posting blinds.

RyPac13's picture
For the nash chart I use my

For the nash chart I use my stack BEFORE I post the blind.  I am pretty sure that is the correct way to do it. 
So if blinds are 50-100 and I have 1200, my opponent has 1800, and then I post my bb of 100, I'm still at 1200 effective stacks.
It's the most amount of chips either player can win in the hand.  So basically just pretend you go all in preflop, how big is the pot?  Divide that by two and that's your effective stack count.  Divide it by the bb and you have your effective bbs.
Hope that helps.

rumrumrumrum's picture
Oh, sorry for misleading

Oh, sorry for misleading information. I though that I read somewhere on 2+2 that it's after the blinds but now I see I'm wrong.
Lol, I've been always using it after the blinds but it's better to learn it now than never. :-D

RyPac13's picture
Yea, and it only really

Yea, and it only really matters much when you get into the end game.  Doesn't mean much if you're 59 or 60bbs deep early on ;)

FreakOfNature's picture
Your not the only one

Your not the only one rumrum,
I started off using S.A.G.E for end game and that uses the premisis of effective stacks AFTER the blinds has been posted so I just pressumed this was the same for nash. Although I do actually tighten the range in most cases so it probably hasn't effected me that much.
Great vid though, first time I've seen one that homes in on a specific area of the game.  I found it very useful :)
 
What was the HH program used in it? Never seen it before.

RyPac13's picture
Something a 2p2 buddy of

Something a 2p2 buddy of mine made for me to use (I use it for students, it outputs in a very nice HTML format).
He's currently fine tuning that and a few other applications for free use on this site.  That's why we have the "tools" section and why there is nothing in there yet.

modus operandi's picture
sage

Rum i think you might have thought of sage when you thought of the after posting thing.
I know for a fact that when using sage you make moves based on effective stacks AFTER posting, that is what the R ratio reps.
what is the best way to play when effective stacks are around 15-12BB, I find this area to be a dingleberry area. can't just shove because its not max EV. but at the same time raising min is explioitable if op shoves, and limping is vulnerable to limp raise and cbets.

0-30 and still be confident.