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Top2 turn comes flush completer......and he betsout :(

able '174373308 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: kapparola (1960 in chips)
Seat 2: It@li
@ (1040 in chips)
kapparola: posts small blind 15
It@li
@: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kapparola []
kapparola: raises 30 to 60
It@li
@: calls 30
*** FLOP *** []
It@li
@: bets 120
kapparola: raises 210 to 330
It@li
@: calls 210
*** TURN *** [] []
It@li
@: bets 240
kapparola???

 

xSCWx's picture
Can't see cards but I think

Can't see cards but I think I'm shoving it anyways without some sort of read that tells me otherwise.

AQs's picture
oh sorry, I hold QhKh flop

oh sorry, I hold QhKh flop is 8dQsKd turn is 5d

 

jackoneill's picture
Ugh, I think I got this

Ugh, I think I got this wrong every single time in my last ~500 matches :-(
Each time I shoved, I got it in bad against a set or flush and each time I flat'ed it, the river gave another straight or flush-card and my opponent either openshoved or checked to me and showed down baby-flush or a straight where he rivered his gutshot.
Btw. what do you think about the raise-size on the flop ?  It's less than pot-size so it may be a bit too small to protect against draws but doing it bigger also didn't work out that great for me in the past, I feel like I folded out too many weaker made hands with that and only kept the flush draws in the hand.
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One think I experimented with lately is taking him some of his equity and also get more value from pure bluffs or super weak made hands - by flat'ing the flop and shoving any safe turn.  This requires solid reads and works best when the guy donks full pot with a super wide range and fires again on almost any turn and you know whether he bluffs a flush / straight at the turn, so you know what to do when the scarecard hits.
The advantage is that we get an additional pot-sized bet of ouf all his air which he'd fold if we raised - and protecting against draws isn't that important if draws are only a small portion of his range. I'd even consider flatting both the flop and the turn and shoving any safe river if we were deeper, I knew exactly what to do when the draw hits and that the guy tends to make hero-calls if he hits any piece of the board on later streets.
I know it may sound super weak to flat two times with top two pair on a drawy board and fold when the draw hits, but IMO this can be so much more +EV than getting it in on the flop if you do it against the right guy - if you know that draws are only a small portion of his entire range and that he'll put his entire stack into the pot with ace high or bottom pair, then I'd never scare him out of the pot by raising.
However, the most important thing is having good and solid reads and being "emotionally stable" - I must admid, I did a few really bad hero calls against these guys in the past where I knew I had to fold but couldn't let my top two pair go ....
Jack


xSCWx's picture
I think that he will have

I think that he will have enough worse kings or worse 2-pairs in his range to make this a shove by its self. If you factor in draws like JdTx then this should be a pretty easy shove. Additionally, you guys only have like a pot size bet left going into the turn so you only need to win this like 1/3 of the time. I think this should be a pretty easy shove against any opponent.