I just watched skates_55s_part1of2 where Skates and RyPac got into that ugly spot with QQ. Please explain what you think the best play is as I would be completely lost, starting on the flop. (~9:30 in the vid)
villain limps you raise qq c/c 1/2pot on kxx c/f to 222 in 400 on 2flush turn w/ 600 total
the rest of the vid wasn't very interesting but that spot would've thrown me off as well
I'll check it out in depth tonight or tomorrow and post here.
I remember thinking that there had to be a better line in that spot. I think I joked about it in one of the other dual commentary videos with Skates too.
It depends on your interpretation of villain's bluffing frequency on the flop and turn. Skates thought they were both really low, and as such, his line is alright. On the other hand, he still says, and I agree, that he'd rather bet/call a small amount on the turn to open up that bluffing range a little bit. Folding such a strong hand seems a little bit too weak, even against a villain he thinks is a little bit passive.
I think that villain was bluffing the flop more... as such I would still check the flop. As for the turn, I think leading is better because of the draws and the ability to open up a villain-spew range.
Skates wants to add that bet/calling the flop is certainly valid, it's just often harder to really have a good idea of what your opponent's bluff-raising frequency is like. And, it'd require you to know something about how your opponent plays Kx (ie, does he always raise or can he flat).
I'm really, really, really bad is what it comes down to, if this is the hand I think it is.
I'll let Ryan chime in here; I'm not sure if it's the hand I'm thinking of and won't be able to view it tonight.
villain limps you raise qq c/c 1/2pot on kxx c/f to 222 in 400 on 2flush turn w/ 600 total
the rest of the vid wasn't very interesting but that spot would've thrown me off as well
I'll check it out in depth tonight or tomorrow and post here.
I remember thinking that there had to be a better line in that spot. I think I joked about it in one of the other dual commentary videos with Skates too.
Skates and I just went over this hand again...
It depends on your interpretation of villain's bluffing frequency on the flop and turn. Skates thought they were both really low, and as such, his line is alright. On the other hand, he still says, and I agree, that he'd rather bet/call a small amount on the turn to open up that bluffing range a little bit. Folding such a strong hand seems a little bit too weak, even against a villain he thinks is a little bit passive.
I think that villain was bluffing the flop more... as such I would still check the flop. As for the turn, I think leading is better because of the draws and the ability to open up a villain-spew range.
Skates wants to add that bet/calling the flop is certainly valid, it's just often harder to really have a good idea of what your opponent's bluff-raising frequency is like. And, it'd require you to know something about how your opponent plays Kx (ie, does he always raise or can he flat).