I think thats a big mistake to not flat this flop (even against a decent loose agressive) Only a good T will pay off . Maybe a JQ hand. I was to happy to flop a set and snap reraise.............. its really bad. Tell me if I'm wrong
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players
$22+$1
Hand converted by husng.com hand converter - www.husng.com
| BB | mensur62 | 1785 | |
| SB | Hero | 1215 | |
Effective Stacks: 41bb
Blinds 15/30
- Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB
Hero raises to 90, mensur62 calls 60
- Flop (180, 2 players)
mensur62 bets 60, Hero raises to 180, mensur62 folds
- Final Pot: 420
You're often wrong.
You forgot J8, 87, from loose players even Q8, J7, 4x, random PPs, overcards, etc.
Then you have to imagine his range is slightly stronger than just any random hand because he's leading this flop. A lead could be a blocking bet with a weak pair/draw. Regardless, what do you really gain from flat calling unless he's a maniac and will bluff his stack? That doesn't appear likely, as he's betting 1/3 of the pot on this flop, not exactly a huge value to you.
If you notice him folding a ton on these sorts of boards, don't worry about "keeping him in the hand" most of the time, just start bluffing the heck out of him in similar situations and you'll win chips with the fold equity.
You don't always need to get value out of strong hands to win pots, in fact, against the tight/weak players, you'll get most of your value by making him fold.
Ok I agree with that. I was thinking : I will like any turn card. An undercard will not effraid him to lead bet because when I flat this flop, I represent a sort of draw/weak hand. He can hit a second pair or a top pair or simply bluff an overcard turn like A or K.
Is it decent to give him another card if this card will only help me to get more value.
The only problem is that vs a passive player, you're looking at a 300 pot going into the turn. Say they check, you bet around 200, a decent sized bet. They call, the river pot is 700 chips and effective stacks are in the 900 range (don't have the hand up as I'm replying).
So you'll be hard pressed to make a very good value bet on that river that still allows you to get full value from weak Tx hands that you should be stacking.
And against a loose player or an aggressive player, you shouldn't really slowplay too many hands, since they give you value on early streets with such a wide range of hands.
The only time I really love the slowplay in these spots with straight draws, overcards that can call and a few broadways that hit his range, is if I'm certain he'll often bluff again and bluff big. In this spot, I don't see that happening very often, and if you have a villain that fits that description you probably would've mentioned it (or likely would've been more confident about the hand and not posted it).
But I understand your thinking, it's not bad logic at all, but you have to apply it to the board texture, what villains will do with different hands and the value you miss when you call the small flop lead.