http://www.husng.com/content/jamming-expectation-20bb-deep-big-blind-vs-... I would give some my own thoughts on it but right now I am so overwhelmed from reading a massive amount of posts, gotta digest all this :p

ok let's get the party started... Right now I'd say my biggest weakness is reg play, as I really don't have much experience since I never had to deal w/ it until now. I feel like I've gotten pretty good at some of non-strat stuff like tilt, but still lack confidence sometimes.reg play: so much I can say about it, so specific questions/hands would obv help - you will find TONS of stuff in this forum on this topic though. just remember that there are a lot of different, useful population tendancies we can use for the average reg (at a given buyin level). the pop tends for regs tend to be a lot more specific/different than those we would use against fish. confidence: i think that having clear evidence of your skill is a big key for a player's confidence. this can be anything something standard like an ev graph, or something a little more outside-the-box like a video you recorded with audio during a period where you were playing your A+ game - I think it can be really helpeful to remember/imagine how you are thinking and what you are doing when playing your best...I've done this in the past and it really helped me a lot.Another important concept for player's with under/over confidence is an understanding of mental variance. Just like variance in poker, your mind will experience mental variance throughout sessions and day-to-day, seemingly at random. Without an undersatnding of mental variance, this can seem chaotic/random and lead to a lack of confidence in a lot of players - mainy bc they insist on comparing themselves to their absolute best when they are on a mental upswing. Mental variance is standard for everyone though, no matter how strong your mental game is - only the range of different players mental swings vary. I can expand on the mental variance stuff more if it doesn't make sense. Jared Tendler talks about it in his book.

Alright, so a general situation first that I'm unsure about.Over 50-100+ hands, villain is raising >80% of his range OTB ~20bb deep. By doing some 3bet shoving math, most/all hands are more +EV than shoving, and hands that ply well OOP (T9s etc) also do v well jamming, most likely better than flatting.Obv we have to take into account villain will adjust, but my main question is, do we start shoving QT, K8+ type hands? If villain is TAG, do we increase our 3b/c and 3b/f ranges?vs an 80% opener ~20 deep, everything will be a 3bet shove - that is, assuming he doesn't have some absurdly wide raise/calling range. the exp of 3betting will outweigh the exp of flatting for all hands vs that wide of a frequency almost certainly.the only hands i would non-allin 3bet would be KQ KJ and QJs, as well as AA/KK...maybe QQ. 3bet KQ/KJ/QJs 40-120...villain will flat a range that these hadns really dominate well (J9s type stuff)...should have better expectation than just jamming.hands like AK and 77 are better to just 3bet shove, as a non-allin 3bet with allow villain to flat and realize equity well/correctly vs these type of hands that don't dominate much of a nai-3b calling range.make sense?If villain is TAG, do we increase our 3b/c and 3b/f ranges?not sure what you mean by this? do you mean that villain is still raising the 80% pre, but only calling jams with a tight range? if so, i would still just 3bet jam at these stacks and not allow villain to flat a nai-3b with a decent amt of hands he'd just fold to a jam. our expectation of 3b shoving should be great vs this type player. 

I include K2o-K5o in my readless calling range vs mr 20-25bb deep. Fine?yep. standard.And since we're at it, calling range vs mr 20-25bb deep readless?well, there is definitely a difference bt 20 and 25bb deep - a little more 3betting 20 deep basically, esp with all the AX hands.this is my calling range approx 25 deep, its about 48% of total hands: A3s-A2s,KTs-K2s,Q2s+,J2s+,T4s+,95s+,84s+,74s+,64s+,54s,A8o-A2o,KTo-K2o,Q4o+,J6o+,T6o+,96o+,87o. so including my 3b range, i'm playing about 64% of hands oop readless. i'm starting to become convinced that having a few 3b bluffs in our preflop range can be ok readless, so i'd take a few of the suited hands at bottom of this range like 84s/T4s/J2s (and maybe a few hands outside like 94s 73s) and nai-3b them 40-90.baically, playing a lot of hands oop is a good thing...it's not very hard for a hand to show better exp than folding (-1bb), even if villain is only opening 55-60% from his button.since the last FT program, my BB vpip has increased quite a bit...probably 7-8% or so.Vs freq 3bettor ~30%, BB VPIP ~60%, ~22-25bb effective, 40-90 or 40-100 3b. 4b jamming range? I assume it's mostly Ax and PPs, so what about some Kx hands? QJ/QT/JT?well i think it's def important to note that: a) that 30% 3bet % on your HUD likely doesn't represent his 3bet frequency 22-25 deep, and b) if it does represent his 3bet freq at that stack depth, not all of his 3bets are non-allin - some will be jams obv (definitely matters a lot in figuring out what kind of fold equity we have when jamming, and what kind of equity we have vs his 4b calling range).my gut says i'd jam A8o+ A2s+ KJs+ and 22-QQ (flatting KK/AA). maybe some give or take at the bottom of that range though, i can work through the math on it if you give me some specific range examples (of what type hands villain is nai-3b with X frequency)would definitely just flat the QJ QT type hands vs the 3bet, you are going to need a good bit wider 3b frequency from villain for 4bet shoving to be best.hope that helps. let me know if i can explain further.  Been reading a couple random threads and finding a ton of useful information. Quite a bit of the stuff I do w/o knowing why are explained well here. I'll be reading a lot, so I'll post some more interesting questions as we go along.

Why dont you push Axs, and A7o+ 25bb? What Ax do you start shoving 22-20BB? < 20bb shove any Ax against the average 55% opener? Would you consider making a min 3B with KK+ vs a 80% opener, or is it still best to just flat?If you know villain is a reg, lets say PHMERC, that opens alot of buttons, which Ax does now become a push instead of call? Mers said:""6.  @Mers: You wrote somewhere, that you prefer a raise to 120 instead of 100. Could you explain why?" Sure. Basically, we're at a significant disadvantage OOP, and making it 100 makes it even more correct for his 89s type stuff to continue. Most fish don't really do anything differently vs 120 and 100 (many regs don't either), and we want more in preflop to negate positional advantage.  Of course, it's worse to do this with our bluff hands. That's why in general, I've really come to like raising to 100 or 95 with our bluff hands and our premium pairs, and 120 with our KQ/KJ bet/calling stuff. Both of those ranges are pretty balanced and optimal with that type of hand (premium pairs are obviously looking for more calls preflop and aren't so afraid of playing OOP with a deepish stack to pot ratio)." - But I actually like your explanation about betting 90 with KJ+, because its easier to play flop that way I think. And 3B 100 with AT+ and air vs regs and only bet to 100 with air vs fish to get more FE, the mental factor that 100 seems so much more. 

@mrbambocha:- But I actually like your explanation about betting 90 with KJ+, because its easier to play flop that way I think. And 3B 100 with AT+ and air vs regs and only bet to 100 with air vs fish to get more FE, the mental factor that 100 seems so much more.where did I say that in this thread? i 3bet KJ/KQ 40-120 for the reasons Mers mentioned (if i said otherwise in a previous months post or something, i was wrong basically)i'm not nai-3b AT-AK unless im playing someone who is going to 4bet shove a wider range than they will mr/call my jam with.

Why dont you push Axs, and A7o+ 25bb? just looked at 3bet exp of some of those hands vs a 55% opening freq and std mr/call range: the only Ax i wouldn't be jamming readless 25 deep are A2o-A6o. sorry about that.if i flat, it's bc the average player doesnt raise enough (~55-60%) 25bb deep for our 3bet jam exp to be > than our flatting exp. What Ax do you start shoving 22-20BB? < 20bb shove any Ax against the average 55% opener? i shove all AX 20-22BB. i don't think this should be a huge shock to you though. mess around with the 3bet shove program:http://www.husng.com/content/free-software-3-bet-shoving-equity-calculatorcompare the 3bet shove exp to what you estimate flatting exp to be. do that first, then if you have any questions from that point, ask me :) it should answer a lot of ?s for you. happy to help figuring out raise/call pop tends or anything like that, helping estimate flatting expectation etc. Would you consider making a min 3B with KK+ vs a 80% opener, or is it still best to just flat?no. there just isnt enough value in turning the strength of your hand face up and getting villain skeptical for 1 extra bb. if he's dumb enough to spew hard enough for this to be bet, then you should just 3bet to a normal size and he'll prob be the type to continue with a wide range.If you know villain is a reg, lets say PHMERC, that opens alot of buttons, which Ax does now become a push instead of call?all AX.  

77: given how hard a reg's flatting range is going to hit this board, i like checking back. sure, you may get bluffed on the turn by a small% of total air, but his overall range really crushes you. 96: i'd just jam flop. i don't really see any particular value in a cbet. maybe we get some hand to fold to the jam that would have otherwise continued vs a normal cb. (i'm jamming bc of epic short stack depth obv)94: i would cbet flop until i have a reason to do otherwise. the pop tend for most regs is definitely not that they c/r bluff a ton. sure, they c/r bluff more than fish, but imo not enough for us to start worrying about polarizing our cbet range. this is a leak on their part and we should take advantage of it by not allowing them to realize free equity when we check back.as played, what are you trying to accomplish by betting the river? turn your hand into a bluff? you don't really rep much value imo.AJ: jamming needs to work little around 60% to be best. obv we have some equity vs 3X so we don't actually need it to work purely as a bluff that often. i'm not sure on the math for how to account for that though...will ask Mers.like i said, i think the pop tend is to not c/r bluff much. i think it's a pretty marginal spot vs the average player. i would fold readless, i think it's kind of close tho.QJ: you can profitably c/r atc if he is folding >42.8% of the time (how often your c/r needs to work, not accounting for play on future streets). so if he's raising wide and cbetting 100%, it's probably a fine flop to c/r atc on vs a lot of players. if he continues often enough that you need to care about being selective, choose hands with good backdoor equity - QJ is great with 2 overs and some outs to oesd/gutshot you can jam turn on.just keep in mind, a lot of times that you c/r bluff the flop you aren't c/r bc continuing on a bunch of turn/rivers is optimal - you are c/r the flop bc c/r the flop is optimal. if villain folds flop >42.8% of the time here, you could literally c/r air and c/f the turn 100% of the time that he continues and show a profit.  

Few more situations:1) 25bb effective vs a reg - he flats our mr pre, we hold 88 no heart, and get c/r on Q64hh from 40-100. Flat? Shove? If we flat and given he leads ~120, what do we do on these turns:flat<8 non heartjam<8 heartfold>8 non heartjam>8 heartfold2)  Readless vs a non-reg, in a mr'd pot OOP and when villain checks back flop. What are we looking for to barrel turn/rivers? Doesn't seem like a v good question given dif flops/holdings/frequencies.. maybe just some general info on thisi'd start by leading hands that have equity and thin value+. if you find villain is folding too much, start leading an increasingly wider (less equity) range. if you find villain is continuing a lot, be a little more selective about your non-sd value equity hands and barrel them 2 streets some and see how light he's calling off.if you check your weak hands on turn and find villain is delay cbetting a high frequency, start c/r your value and some c/r bluffs that have decent equity.3) ~10-12bb deep facing a mr by the avg non-reg. Focusing on middling hands like ~98o, K2/K3/K4o, Q5s, J6s - hands we flat and hands we jam, and reasoning?compare 3bet expectation vs opening range/call freq to flatting exp. ask me if you want an estimate on call exp. we talked about this some so i think you are more on track with this now.

i 3bet KJ/KQ 40-120 for the reasons Mers mentioned (if i said otherwise in a previous months post or something, i was wrong basically) -       - You said it in our last coaching session. Because we dont wanna have 3 betsizes vs regs: 90 with nuts, 100 with AT+/85s, and 120 with KJ+. So we should 3B 90 with nuts/KJ+ because we induce more calls and we¨re still getting it in if 4B, and 100 with AT+/85s which prefer a fold and they cant exploit it by 4B jaming wide. And vs fish 3B 90 with nuts/KJ+ because of the same reason and 3B 100 with air for FE and jam A2s, A7o because they usually call to light.   If you know villain is a reg, lets say PHMERC, that opens alot of buttons, which Ax does now become a push instead of call? "all AX. "  - Arent he gonna kill us on all Axx boards then?    77: given how hard a reg's flatting range is going to hit this board, i like checking back. ”the avg player, including regs, flats a wide enough range that cbetting a board like T95dd is still best with atc (barring a read that he c/r's wide)” -       - Do you like to check back here because we have SDV?    Focusing on middling hands like ~98o, K2/K3/K4o, Q5s, J6s - hands we flat and hands we jam, and reasoning? ”ask me if you want an estimate on call exp.” -       - How do you do that? 

I think if we expect villain to CBT (if there are cards that can change the board then we could flat, if there are a FD aswell I think we should raise against fish and jam vs regs).I think 89s, 89o are openshove at 10 bb, at 12bb i would limp 98o/T8o/J9o and push the suited ones. 

CBT - cbet turn. sample of 66 hands where I have MP on Axx board:: down 138bb (stacksize between 17-25bb).If they barell turn they seem to often barell river and  ive found that they usually play their hand face up by betting the turn bigger with AX/value (always level myself on that one). Wonder how an CBT of 60 vs 120 is percived by a reg/fish. The 60 seems more as a value, so then maybe we should CBT 120 with value since that looks more like we want a fold? So I dont know how much we´re winning by trying to bluffcatch in that spot (and then we also have to take into consideration that they might have better MP or that they hit bluff but hit Kx on river or 2pair, trips etc.)

What hand are you talking about?The one above, you have MP on Axx board. And you where wondering if you should call turn or not, right? Or am I missing something? 

i 3bet KJ/KQ 40-120 for the reasons Mers mentioned (if i said otherwise in a previous months post or something, i was wrong basically)-       - You said it in our last coaching session. Because we dont wanna have 3 betsizes vs regs: 90 with nuts, 100 with AT+/85s, and 120 with KJ+. So we should 3B 90 with nuts/KJ+ because we induce more calls and we¨re still getting it in if 4B, and 100 with AT+/85s which prefer a fold and they cant exploit it by 4B jaming wide.And vs fish 3B 90 with nuts/KJ+ because of the same reason and 3B 100 with air for FE and jam A2s, A7o because they usually call to light.ya, i think 3b to t120 is bad vs some types of players, but in general it is best vs most. If you know villain is a reg, lets say PHMERC, that opens alot of buttons, which Ax does now become a push instead of call?"all AX. " - Arent he gonna kill us on all Axx boards then? yes. we don't have to be able to continue on all board textures though. again, we don't have to win 100% of hands or play back on 100% of boards! our flatting range still hits more than enough flops for us to show good flatting exp (better than 3b or folding in a lot of cases)this is really similar to your thought process leaks with c/r, cbetting, etc.3bet jamming all AX vs a wide opener simply shows the best expectation (short term and long term vs Phmerc for example) 77: given how hard a reg's flatting range is going to hit this board, i like checking back.”the avg player, including regs, flats a wide enough range that cbetting a board like T95dd is still best with atc (barring a read that he c/r's wide)”-       - Do you like to check back here because we have SDV?i think cbetting this board at this stack depth vs most players is -ev (without a good hand/draw that we want to bet/call), it's a board that crushes oop flatting range 15 deep (covered this in your thread too)  Focusing on middling hands like ~98o, K2/K3/K4o, Q5s, J6s - hands we flat and hands we jam, and reasoning?”ask me if you want an estimate on call exp.”-       - How do you do that? estimate flatting expectation (mers has covered this in a ton of posts in this forum) and compare it to your 3bet jamming expectation. choose option that has highest exp.

How much should we be adjusting our flatting range OOP at diff blind levels, vs reg/non-reg?has nothing to do with blind levels, has everything to do with eff stx levels. as eff stx decrease, most players opening ranges tighten. on the other hand, we have to risk less chips as eff stx decrease to win villains 2bb with a 3bet jam. so in a lot of cases, we can 3bet jam more and flat less as eff stx decrease (depends on villains raise/call and opening range)mess around with the 3bet shove calculator and compare the expectations you get to what you think flatting exp would look like. ask me if you want my opinion on specific hands vs specific frequencies at specific stack depths.the only way that a player being a reg or non-reg effects my flatting/3b ranges is based off the population tendancies of those player types (their opening frequency at diff stack depths, raise/call range, limping range etc)

J9: we don't have enough equity to continue imo. if you are continuing J9 (with no club) here you are basically continuing with atc. i don't think the pop tend is for this c/r to be all that light either (villain can't expect a ton of folds). i think he continues turn way too much and we don thave nearly enough equity.

First hand vs a reg w/o too much history: he jams, do we call hands like T9s and fold hands like AKo? If not, reasoning is "we're never sure"?i'm assuming you mean that he openshoves his sb. you need 48% equity to call a jam (24bb/50bb)against a range of 22-55:AKo has 46.3% equity, AKs has 48.9% equity, T9s has ~52% equity. basically, if you think the reg is good enough that he's the type to just openjam small pairs, i'd call with anything that is >48% equity basically.i think vs a lot of regs it's a safe assumption these days. it's pretty rare you see a thinking player openshipping a range that T9s will have much worse than 48% equity against anyways, so even if we're wrong we're not THAT wrongagainst fish, my calling range would be a ton diff (folding T9s, calling AKo obv) 

How often are we floating w/ K and A his on various boards vs regs/non-regs, in a mr'd pot OOP? How much do stack sizes matter? I think I play nearly the same ~>18-20 bbs deep in these situations.well AX is going to be a 3bet shove a ton of the time, esp 18-20 deep. Boards, vs both regs and non regs (no reads on freq, so use pop tedency):the pop tendancy is that regs cbet a lot wider range than fish, and raise a much wider range pre too. so in all cases except the 833 board, i would c/f K and A high vs a fish - their ranges are just too strong overall.Q74 (suited/non suited)569 (suited/non suited)8JQ (suited/non suited)833 (suited/non suited)would c/f or c/r most K high with no draw hands vs regs...going to be hard to get to showdown with best hand with K6 on Q74 even if reg cbets wide (we just cant continue vs barrels often enough). other boards you mentioned are too wet mostly. 833 board i'd c/c K and A high vs reg.i don't think suitedness matters a ton in most of these spots really, tho i guess if your K or A has that suit it will make flatting better. Would we c/r Kx or Ax on Q74 or 833 vs a reg instead of just flatting?wouldn't c/r AX or good KX on 833, you have best hand too much and can get to sd often enough imo.wouldn't c/r the AX hands very much on Q74, but KX i'd tend to c/r more since we have best hand less often.

Thoughts on flatting vs c/r Ax hands on boards like A94 (suited/non suited) vs regs and non regs 20bb readless?if u think reg is spewy/levels himself, i like c/r or even donking just to make him go nuts. otherwise, he has too much air and not enough value that continues so i prefer flatting on the non-suited boards, c/r the suited boards since there are a lot more combos that will continue.we don't have AX in our oop range much at all 20bb deep thoAlso like Q7 on Q83. KQ? Both C/R?i would flat Q7 unless i think he levels himself a ton usually. we basically never have KQ in our flatting range oop. if we did, i would c/r more tho since we beat most QX

Against a nit at 10bbs, would mr/f, limp/stab, or openshove show better expectation w/ 89s, 89o type hands?almost always jamming 89s, has great expectation.can see limping 98o if hes checking back a lot and bad limped. would only mr/fold if hes really playing very few hands oop <40%ish, otherwise i think your other options will be better.

Also a general situation that is common:We hold JTo on AJ5 2 9 OOP, readless vs a non-reg. Are we calling a 2nd barrel? If so, are we folding to a 3rd barrel? My standard is to fold to the third one, and always thought the second one was a bit close but leaning towards a fold. I do understand people have diff double/triple barreling ranges, but how much does that come into play here?i think you are implying this, but important to note anyways...a big thought process leak of a lot of players is "i have to make my decision on the turn...if i call turn, i need to call river" this is not true, since most players do not bet river with their entire turn betting range on all runouts obv (not even close).i would call 2nd barrel without knowing that villain barrels so tight that it's a fold. i mean, folding is SO  exploitive since we really are near the top of our range anyways (we have so little AX and only QJ better)...im not willing to be that exploitive without a hell of a reason basically.that said, vs the avg player i would still call turn and fold rivers...which is unreal exploitive too so that kind of defeats my previous argument a bit lol. but really i think the pop tend is to barrel turns enough for it to be a call, and not 3 barrel air on rivers nearly enough. also, we do have some equity to improve when calling turn as well obv so keep that in mind.

So on turns when we do have equity but not too much sd value in a bet pot oop where villain checked back 367dd flop and we hold Q8o and the turn is a 9, are we leading here? VS both regs and non-regs.Same situation w/ like K73hh and we have like 58hh on a 4s turn or something.leading vs both. equity + fold equity should make betting far better than c/c. vs all players (only diff bt 2 player types is their typical check back range + thought process in this type spot really)def leading turn in other example too for same reason. not even close.

About 3B.So you think we should have 3 betsizes vs fish when 3betting?90 wtih 99+, 100 with bluffs and 120 with KJo+? And two 3B sizes against regs: 90 with 99+, KJo+ and 100 with bluffs/ATo+? We hold JTo on AJ5 2 9 OOP :: i would call 2nd barrel without knowing that villain barrels so tight that it's a fold. i mean, folding is SO  exploitive since we really are near the top of our range anyways (we have so little AX and only QJ better)...im not willing to be that exploitive without a hell of a reason basically.- Do you really think that the average villain 2barell that turn as a bluff or with MP? I dont think many regs/fish barell that blank turn alot with air. And dont you think that the bigger CBT is actually Ax? Whats your thoughtprocess if villain CBT 60 or 120? DO we really care about being exploitive vs fish? 

AA5 board vs non-reg, we hold 56s in a mr'd pot oop 20+ bbs deep. c/c flop? c/r? What if we had K5?20+ i'd just c/c with both. don't think we make up enough value betwen K5 and 65 for it to make a big difference really.

On low paired boards like 844, turn 2. Is it a good idea to double barrel in position vs regs? Loose fish?We can discount some Ax hands as a typical reg shoves/3b a lot of them pre. We also have to take into consideration that they'll prob C/R all the 67 kind of hands OTF. So I see a typical range being 4x hands, 8x hands (maybe some will c/r), bunch of Kx, 2 overs.Also on a board like K88 it'd be a bit different right? Less floats in general.definitely different on K88 for reason you mentionted. i'd barrel 844 a good amount vs both player types, definitely with the intention to 3 barrela  good bit. i expect any AX KX in range to possibly continue another street, as well as 76 type hands. it's close though...not an amazing spot obv.

About 3B.So you think we should have 3 betsizes vs fish when 3betting?90 wtih 99+, 100 with bluffs and 120 with KJo+? And two 3B sizes against regs: 90 with 99+, KJo+ and 100 with bluffs/ATo+?where did i say any of this? i would just 3bet your 99+ and bluffs to t90. if you don't have enough fold equity 3betting to t90 to 3b bluff, you prob don't to t100 either (plus it has to work more often).i would 3b to t120 vs all player types until i have a reason not to (if a reg is responding to it too well, or a player is mr/calling jams so wide that it's more profitably to just jam it)if you are getting this from things i said in turbo threads, that's very different imo. we can risk more on our bluffs at turbo stack depths bc we aren't nearly as committed. 

Readless: we mr JT 25bb effective, get 3b to 100, call. Flop comes T73r, and he bets 100. We are in position - flat or shove?jam vs thinking players, minraise vs anyone else (as a standard). if we call the cb, pot will be t400 with remaining eff stx of t300 - regs aren't barreling this turn as a bluff much imo, and really a flat looks stronger than a jam almost bc honeslty wtf else are we flatting (nothing that folds the turn). so i def like a jam vs regs as it reps some straight draws at least. fish will do dumb stuff, so i like clicking back. flatting lets them realize free equity which sucks, and i dont think fish barrel turn enough on avg to justify flatting. regs would realize we would never clickback at that stack depth as a bluff, but fish don't and they will make a lot more mistakes than vs a jam.I think this has been asked/answered before, but what range are we calling a 3b readless? from 40->100? 40->120? 40->90? 40->80?40-90: KK+, K7s+, Q7s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 86s+, 76s, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9osomething really close to that.for 40-80, expand that range slightly. for 40-100, tighten it slightly.for 40-120, tighten a lot more (eliminate basically bottom half of the range esp off suit stuff, and jam KK/AA) 

i'd barrel 844 a good amount vs both player types, definitely with the intention to 3 barrela  good bit. i expect any AX KX in range to possibly continue another street, as well as 76 type hands. it's close though...not an amazing spot obv. - How much would you barell each street (betsize)? Which are cards you would give up on A/K? we mr JT 25bb effective, get 3b to 100, call. Flop comes T73r, and he bets 100. We are in position - flat or shove?jam vs thinking players, minraise vs anyone else- What if we had middpair with say Q7s? Call? And if we call do we fold if the turn is K/blank since the King hits his range and if the turn where a deuce there is no reason for him to barell with air so fold then to? How about if the turn where an Ace? Call since he should have Ax in his range, but Ive started seeing a few regs 3B their strong Ax so now they can rep A-flops aswell.