Hey guys!Been reading through this yesterday and it looks awesome!Looking forward to the fast track program. Heres a quick intro about me.My name is Bogdan aka "Boggie", born -85, in Romania, lived in Sweden for the most part of my life and I'm backpacking in NZ for the moment. I studied computer science in high school and construction engineer in collage. But I don't want the 9-5 life where I don't get paid for my effort. I want a life were I get rewarded for the work I put in, but I also like the flexibility that poker brings and the challenges that comes with it. Thats why I wanna go serious with poker. I've been playing poker for 2 years as a loosing player, then I meet cog dis in bali and got coached by him and since then my motivation just grew and now its on top after I've read Jareds book. Now I now what a mental fish I've been, so now I know that I really have to put in a lot of work. I play the $15 ST at PS (3000 games @ 4.4%) for the moment and hoping to be able to climb up to the $30 in a week or so. My goals are to be a "better" person today then I was yesterday, both in life and in poker, till I find the balance where im doing my best without burning myself out. So I have a spreadsheet where I note down how I'm doing with food, training, meditation, a-game, b-game, c-game etc Play at least 6h a day Mental training 1 h day Game theory 2h day Now I also made a freeroll with eveybody in the house (4 other people).If I break any of these goals I will take them all out to a classy restaurant (and that will not happen). My goals for this month: Stop smokingMeditate 3x10 min / dayWorkout 3x45 min / week When I don't play poker I love to do sports, hiking, trekking, training, travel. Pretty much anything that's challenging and good for the mind and soul
I've experimented a bit with underbetting/betting small to see if villian is strong and if he isn't I push most rivers.I only have a small sample size so I dont know if this play is gonna higher variance in the long run.Let me know what you think. Usually I play this way if I've seen villian DB/CR or that they are able to be aggresive with good hands.Do I need to play my strong hands the same way if I play my air this way ( at the lower stakes)? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$14.69+$0.31 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero560 BBvk2800440 Effective Stacks: 22bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, vk2800 calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) vk2800 checks, Hero bets 40, vk2800 calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) vk2800 checks, Hero bets 60, vk2800 calls 60 River (280, 2 players) vk2800 checks, Hero goes all-in 420, vk2800 folds Final Pot: 700 Hero wins 700 ( won +140 ) vk2800 lost -140 No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$14.69+$0.31 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBskin1972540 SBHero460 Effective Stacks: 23bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, skin1972 calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) skin1972 checks, Hero bets 30, skin1972 calls 30 Turn (140, 2 players) skin1972 checks, Hero bets 70, skin1972 calls 70 River (280, 2 players) skin1972 checks, Hero goes all-in 320, skin1972 folds Final Pot: 600 Hero wins 600 ( won +140 ) skin1972 lost -140 No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$14.69+$0.31 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero480 BBpõrmustaja520 Effective Stacks: 12bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero calls 20, põrmustaja checks Flop (80, 2 players) põrmustaja checks, Hero bets 40, põrmustaja calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) põrmustaja checks, Hero bets 80, põrmustaja calls 80 River (320, 2 players) põrmustaja checks, Hero goes all-in 320, põrmustaja folds Final Pot: 640 Hero wins 640 ( won +160 ) põrmustaja lost -160 No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$14.69+$0.31 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBLegion137405 SBHero595 Effective Stacks: 14bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 60, Legion137 raises to 120, Hero calls 60 Flop (240, 2 players) Legion137 checks, Hero checks Turn (240, 2 players) Legion137 checks, Hero bets 45, Legion137 calls 45 River (330, 2 players) Legion137 checks, Hero goes all-in 430, Legion137 folds Final Pot: 760 Hero wins 760 ( won +165 ) Legion137 lost -165
Hokie, I wonder if it ok with you if I do the same thing as JackTheShipper did?"Mers, i kinda have a proposition for you, how would you like it, if i just post the shit out of this thread with hands, since i play ALOT as of late. like 60hours/week is gettin pretty std, so how about, i just post ALOT of hands, probably alot more then the others will, however, since thsi seems unfair, u do not have to get back at every hand!!! if i REALLY NEED input on a certain hand, i will mention it specifically, the other hands, i will just post, to give u a better idea of my overall game, and hopefully u will see a pattern of what im doin wrong, and point that out to me, that in itself would be 10000x more valuable to me then get some hands reviewed. And would make me feel less bad about posting so much hehe :P let me know if u think thats a good idea or not ;)" Cheers
i think that's a great idea. just note the hands you specifically want advice on. sounds good.i will respond to the hands you posted earlier tomorrow morning!thankshokie
Don't think it's a good board to fire a 2nd barrel in that QT hand - it's simply way too connected. Yeah sure that King is a scarecard, but don't think he'll fold any draws to this small bet - and the fd just got there. And I really hate that river jam, especially since he's now not giving you that much credit for that King anymore.K7 hand - like that small cbet: either he has a piece or not and the board is scary enough with the 3 spades for him not to randomly float you with air that much. Not sure whether I like that turn bet that much - but if you do, then you have to fire 3 barrels on a blank river.75 hand - I usally don't go that crazy in a limped pot and I especially don't like triple barrel bluffing complete air in limped pots.89 hand - I'd limp this pre and if I do end up minraising it, then fold even to this small 3bet. Really don't think we have sufficient implieds to flat here this shallow, even to this super small 3bet. As played, I snap you off with my entire range otr, you're repping just exactly what you have here: complete air.Very interested in hearing Hokie's oppinions about these hands.
Hey, hope everybody had a great weekend, now back to reality??I would like to get some help in 3B pots, fells like I dont really know how to analyze the situation.I think I make alot of mistakes in them. I dont know when to CB, when to induce and when to cf.Here are some hands, see if you can find my flaws. Some hands are a bit old, would have played them diffrently today after reading some articles here but I still dont know what to do with them postflop and how to improve. First hand, he makes it 60, would you rather flat or still 3B, is the sizing ok?On the flop I cant see him have much so I wanted to induce a shove from worse hands and if he would have flatted I would have push most turn cards. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$14.69+$0.31 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBdimitar313500 BBHero500 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB dimitar313 raises to 60, Hero raises to 140, dimitar313 calls 80 Flop (280, 2 players) Hero bets 80, dimitar313 goes all-in 360, Hero goes all-in 280 Turn (1000, 2 players, 2 all-in) River (1000, 2 players, 2 all-in) Final Pot: 1000 dimitar313 shows a pair of Sevens Hero shows high card King dimitar313 wins 1000 ( won +500 ) Hero lost -500 This hand I would have pushed if it was played today, but back then I wanted to do a go and go with it. Villian is LAG and pushes light over 3B so it might have been better to check to him and let his agression do the job.No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$14.69+$0.31 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero490 SBjimmychin510 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB jimmychin raises to 40, Hero raises to 160, jimmychin calls 120 Flop (320, 2 players) Hero bets 140, jimmychin raises to 280, Hero goes all-in 330, jimmychin calls 50 Turn (980, 2 players, 1 all-in) River (980, 2 players, 1 all-in) Final Pot: 980 Hero shows two pair, Eights and Fours jimmychin shows two pair, Tens and Fours jimmychin wins 980 ( won +490 ) Hero lost -490 This guy was pretty tight, so is this a 3B fold against him? Anyways I had the read that he slowplays the nuts so I wasnt gonna give him much credit for betting. But would it be better for me to CB instead? h1>No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$29.37+$0.63Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBMagadanec590 BBHero410 Effective Stacks: 21bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB Magadanec raises to 40, Hero raises to 120, Magadanec calls 80 Flop (240, 2 players) Hero checks, Magadanec goes all-in 470, Hero goes all-in 290 Turn (1000, 2 players, 2 all-in) River (1000, 2 players, 2 all-in) Final Pot: 1000 Magadanec shows two pair, Aces and Tens Hero shows high card Ace Magadanec wins 1000 ( won +410 ) Hero lost -410 We cant fold here right, even if it hits his calling range? Would you have played it diffrently since we are pretty short?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$14.69+$0.31 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero320 SBstadion838680 Effective Stacks: 16bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB stadion838 raises to 40, Hero raises to 120, stadion838 calls 80 Flop (240, 2 players) Hero bets 100, stadion838 raises to 200, Hero goes all-in 100 Turn (640, 2 players, 1 all-in) River (640, 2 players, 1 all-in) Final Pot: 640 Hero shows high card King stadion838 shows a pair of Tens stadion838 wins 640 ( won +320 ) First hand. Should I have bet instead? Cant see what I would get value from? Or do we wanna take it down directly?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$14.69+$0.31 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBRenMP500 BBHero500 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB RenMP raises to 40, Hero raises to 120, RenMP calls 80 Flop (240, 2 players) Hero checks, RenMP checks Turn (240, 2 players) Hero checks, RenMP bets 20, Hero calls 20 River (280, 2 players) Hero checks, RenMP bets 60, Hero calls 60 Final Pot: 400 RenMP shows a full house, Kings full of Tens Hero shows RenMP wins 400 ( won +200 ) Hero lost -200 Can I fold here, once I've put in so much money?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$14.69+$0.31 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBferskensmag590 BBHero410 Effective Stacks: 21bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB ferskensmag raises to 40, Hero raises to 100, ferskensmag calls 60 Flop (200, 2 players) Hero bets 100, ferskensmag raises to 220, Hero folds Final Pot: 520 ferskensmag wins 520 ( won +200 ) Hero lost -200 First hand. CB? Call a shove in that case?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$14.69+$0.31 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBragalie500 BBHero500 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB ragalie raises to 50, Hero raises to 140, ragalie calls 90 Flop (280, 2 players) Hero checks, ragalie checks Turn (280, 2 players) Hero checks, ragalie bets 165, Hero folds Final Pot: 445 ragalie wins 445 ( won +140 ) Hero lost -140 Guy is a TAG, but he slowplay his hands and gaybets to induce. Should I have bet myself?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$29.37+$0.63 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero480 SBMagadanec520 Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB Magadanec raises to 40, Hero raises to 120, Magadanec calls 80 Flop (240, 2 players) Hero checks, Magadanec goes all-in 400, Hero folds Final Pot: 640 Magadanec wins 640 ( won +120 ) Hero lost -120 This is a cf right, even though i have overcards and backdorr flush? Just want to be sure so I havent got it wrong. Was second hand, dont remember what happend in the first.No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$14.69+$0.31 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBDANNY_KING5520 BBHero480 Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB DANNY_KING5 raises to 40, Hero raises to 120, DANNY_KING5 calls 80 Flop (240, 2 players) Hero checks, DANNY_KING5 goes all-in 400, Hero folds Final Pot: 640 DANNY_KING5 wins 640 ( won +120 ) Hero lost -120 First hand. I guess this is a CB, but do I call a push?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$14.69+$0.31 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBhausse72500 BBHero500 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB hausse72 raises to 40, Hero raises to 100, hausse72 calls 60 Flop (200, 2 players) Hero checks, hausse72 bets 120, Hero folds Final Pot: 320 hausse72 wins 320 ( won +100 ) Hero lost -100
QT hand:I actually love your line here (sorry jack!). I'd prefer to be barreling with some equity - but tbh I think we prob have some with our QT non diamonds on river - we will just check those back if we hit. I'm not too excited about the hand selection here, but villain is gong to have A TON of marginal hands in his range. Also, the average player will usually take their big hands and play them fast! So we can expect 2 pair/straights/flushes to all turn their hand face up soemwhere and c/r the turn or lead the river. So check/calling range should be relatively weak.Sooo many hands in a turn calling range that we can barrel on most rivers. Single diamonds, combo draws, 6x/J9, etc etc. I love you turn bet size bc it sets up river stacks for us to be able to jam rivers. That's the most important thing - if we barrel this turn we need to be barreling a ton of rivers.I agree with Jack that this isn't the greatest river for us. But villain can still have a ton of marginal hands here - and we do credibly rep the whole board really. There are better rivers, but I still jam this one.Nice hand.
K7 hand: pretty much the same thought process as the previous hand. I love it. Again, would love to be barreling with a little more equity (it adds up long term), but villains range is just going to be sooo marginal on a board like this. You set up stacks well again. Nice.
75 hand:I love it. I love barreling donks who can't hand read and have weak perceived ranges, haha.If villain is a total retard, I would actually bet the turn even smaller like t65 to get called by as wide a range as possible - increases our river fold equity since a wide range cant really respond well to a decent sized 3rd barrel.Again, NICE!
89 hand:Sorry, as much as I loved the previous hands - I hate this one even more :)I would probably limp 89 pre at 14bb stacks, for the same reason you limped 75s at 12stx! Plays well limped, can limp/call a 3x, sucks to raise fold a hand that plays well. I would raise it pre if villain is folding tons though.When you get 3bet, you need to fold. You are getting good pot odds, but your implied odds postflop are terrible with short eff stx and villains range is going to be really strong here. I wouldn't flat this 3bet size with much of anything tbh. Maybe like T9s/J9s stuff but thats it. Postflop, so I liked the other hands, but I liked them because villains perceived range was very weak and ours was very strong. Here though, an alarm should go off when you get small 3bet at these eff stx preflop and you should shut down preflop and postflop. The average player HATES folding postflop in 3bet pots, so bluffing typically isn't the best idea without reads - even mores the shorter effective stacks get.I'm expecting to see JJ/KK/KQ/QJ type stuff calling this river a ton. I'm really shocked you got a fold.
Looks like I can still learn a lot from you :-)
"I would actually bet the turn even smaller like t65 to get called by as wide a range as possible - increases our river fold equity since a wide range cant really respond well to a decent sized 3rd barrel." I shall think a bit more on this one. And ya like you said, many villian turn turn good hand face up in some way, so when they cc-cc-ch its not gonna be that strong, but I look out if any draws hits since they can slowplay them on R. Ya I agree that I could be a limp if villian calls alot or 3B alot. Think this played out before I read mersennearys ROFL article."I'm expecting to see JJ/KK/KQ/QJ type stuff calling this river a ton. I'm really shocked you got a fold." I was really unsure about this hand, but I expected a mincr or something on turn if he would have anything, to see where he stands, and I def expected a bet on R with anything decent as a blockbet. So I thought that there were so much money in the pot so if I was gonna go down anyways I could aswell go down in style. And if I lost this match, they usually rematch an I can continue playing on the image he has of me and continues rematching me if I win the next one becuase he thinks im an lucky fish idiot.But ya, I should have folded it from the beggining. Awesome that ya thought that some of the lines where good. Was afraid that it was way out of line and that it was a fishy play. Will def continue working on that then and make it some part om my game that I can use against weaker players.Looking forward to hear what you have to say of my play in 3B pots OOP. Dont expect that to be as possitive..
post some 3b pot hands :) hope ur doing well!
Already posted a few, post #5.Ya doing some progress I think.Have some goals problems that I need to talk with you about..
sorry missed those.@KJ:as played, postflop is fine...def can't bet/fold when we only need to be good 28%...so many possible draws etc.i would 3bet to 160-180 pre though, as it sets up better postflop stacks to just ship flop. i think most people that call 140 with the type of range KJ dominates will still call a 3bet to 180. we are obv committed with either size to call a 4bet shove.@88:def jam pre. postflop looks fine.@QJ:3bet pre is probably getting a little too wide at these stacks but its close - if he is calling non-allin 3bets crazy wide then i can def see 3betting here though. QJs flats incredibly well oop at these stacks also.postflop i would just bet/call and take advantage of fold/equity.@KJ:looks ok. i would probably just jam flop but don't see it makes a huge difference.@99:def bet flop. we can't let his QJ/K3 type stuff realize equity for free by checking.i just jam pre though...typical villain flatting range realizes equity too easily to allow to play postflop against.@99:def just jamming pre at <20 stacks vs anyone really. same reason as before, but also villain will have a lot of hands that minraise/call here too@KQ:I would still bet/call this flop. there are still a lot of hands that missed flop in villains range (J9/QJ/JT/KJ type stuff) i think a lot of this stuff will bluff when checked to with no showdown value. when we non-allin 3bet at <25 stacks it's to bet/call a decent amount of flops.@QJ:i flat pre readless. as played, i cbet/fold flop. the range villain plays back here you don't do very well against - dominated by KX and flush draws have equity.
Hi.Would it be possible to get some feedback on these hands/leakfinders that I posted on 2p2 (would take to much time to convert them here). http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/185/heads-up-sng/st-preflop-all-leakfinder-1088261/ http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/185/heads-up-sng/st-3b-call-leakfinder-1088283/ http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/185/heads-up-sng/st-3b-leakfinder-1088289/ You can post the answers either here or on 2p2 if thats cool with you. Really need to fix these leaks.Thanks alot!
link 1: a lot of hands look standard to me.A7 i would definitely minraise/call 15 deep - don't limp AX and allow him to check back his trash and realize 35% equity for free...plus it doesn't really induce that well.QJ: minraise/calling 15 deeping probably isn't standard vs most players. 12ish deep it's fine. if i have any notion villain is type to 3bet shove wide i'd mr/call 15 stx thojust jam your weak AX <15 stxlink 2: again a lot are standardfold T7o to small 3bet - implied odds are terrible w short eff stxlink 3:KQ on 988: bet/call flop - you are ahead of too many draws and committedJ3hh: villain isnt flatting w AX probably - so i would be bet/calling flop and taking adv of fold equityKJ on Q84dd: villain has too many hands in range with equity here - just c/f flopQJ on 543cc: cbet is good bc so many hands miss flop, but def c/f the turn as its so unlikely villain flats flop and folds to anything on this turn when this committed
Thanks for the answers! just jam your weak AX <15 stxWhats the difference of minr/calling and shoving with Ax ~15BB? If he has us beat where beat anyways. He is not gonna fold AK, QQ to a shove. So aren't we happy if we induce a shove from K9,KT, QT, JT,J9..? Arent we happy with taking 55/45? Can we get much bigger edges in ST's? fold T7o to small 3bet - implied odds are terrible w short eff stxAre these ranges to different 3B sizes ok? What would you change?- Same range for 80/100? (KJs+,QTs+,J9s+,T8s+,97s+,86s+,76s,65s,KJo+,QJo,JT o,T9o,98o,87o,76o) - Tighter for 120/140? (KJs+,QJs,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,76s,65s,KJo+,QJo,JTo,T9o ,98o,87o,76o) - And even tighter for 160? (KJs+,QJs,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,KJo+,QJo,JTo) KJ on Q84dd: villain has too many hands in range with equity here - just c/f flopDont we even wanna make a small CB to fold out his air? QJ on 543cc: cbet is good bc so many hands miss flop, but def c/f the turn as its so unlikely villain flats flop and folds to anything on this turn when this committedAren't we commited by the turn?I dont have a standard 3B size. Could you give me some guideance for these hands :: 95s/JJ/KQ/AQ?
the difference between jamming and minraise/calling AX <15 stacks is that when we jam they can't flat oop. if villain has a flatting range oop it is usually going to realize its equity really easily vs A2/A6 type hands. weak AX doesn't induce that well eitherr vs K9 type stuff since its 60/40ish. if we know that villain never flats at these stacks, i would argue for minraise/call then.i don't think the average player 3bets non-all in the 120/160 sizes very wide, so i think your calling ranges are definitely too wide. esp 67o type stuff. i can see playing extremely tight, possibly just jam/fold vs 160 sizes since villain is risking so much and i think ranges are typically quite tight. i would forward this question to the Mers-only thread, interested to see his response here.KJ on Q84dd, there really isnt much air in villains range. hands without showdown value mostly have some kind of gutshot and will continue. just not enough hands in range we fold out or continue well against.QJ: ya it's close to committed basically, i would cbet slightly smaller on flop to avoid this then. good point. if we cbet a little smaller, his total air will still fold likely. for 3betting:i'd like to just 3bet jam 95s without knowing too much about how wide villain calls 3bets. the average villain calls/4bets too wide to have much of a non-all in 3bet bluffing range as a standard. most villains do open reasonably wide though, so 3bet jamming will have better expectation.AQ: jam pre up to 25 stacks. villain has a good amount of minraise/calling hands in range that we dominate. when we 3bet to ~100 and our AQ gets flatted by J9/T9/87s type stuff - these type hands continue really well vs AQ and realize their equity very easily.KQ: 3bet non-allin 40-120ish or something committing and call jams. hands we dominate will cal non-allin 3bets that would otherwise fold to a jam, J9/QT/JT/87s type stuff - hands that KQ/KJ do very well against.99: jam pre
At the start of a game, readless, when do you start limping instead of raising T8 type hands? How aggro does villain need to be for you to be sure that he is pushing light and not running good?If he then raise our first limp and we have T8o, do you call or fold if he bets 60/80? What do you do if he raise our next limp too?
Aggro running goodHow do you keep it up mentaly when this scenario happens:You make marginall folds 2-3 times till you realize that this villain is pretty aggro. Then the time you decide to play back your beten.In thoose situations I almost just give up. When I open he 3B, the next time I limp he raises over and I cant call with that hand and so on.I have no momentum. How do you deal with that? Fold though you have the right odds to call.I sometimes hate the math in poker. I know I need to call here due to odds but I've seen this line so many times and its so rarely a bluff.Do you fold then or call?Edit : Like the hands here on Kady's thread : http://www.husng.com/content/kadys-road-super-turbos#comment-24352
ST :: FACING RIVER DBNo Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$14.69+$0.31 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBProfolder84500 SBHero500 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, Profolder84 calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Profolder84 checks, Hero bets 60, Profolder84 calls 60 Turn (200, 2 players) Profolder84 checks, Hero bets 150, Profolder84 calls 150 River (500, 2 players) Profolder84 bets 160 Villain instapush R. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$14.69+$0.31 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero450 BBarmanddd550 Effective Stacks: 15bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 60, armanddd calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) armanddd checks, Hero bets 60, armanddd calls 60 Turn (240, 2 players) armanddd checks, Hero bets 120, armanddd calls 120 River (480, 2 players) armanddd goes all-in 310 Same here, instapush. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$14.69+$0.31 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero500 BBelli1120500 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, elli1120 calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) elli1120 bets 40, Hero calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) elli1120 bets 60, Hero raises to 140, elli1120 calls 80 River (440, 2 players) elli1120 goes all-in 280
At the start of a game, readless, when do you start limping instead of raising T8 type hands? How aggro does villain need to be for you to be sure that he is pushing light and not running good?If he then raise our first limp and we have T8o, do you call or fold if he bets 60/80? What do you do if he raise our next limp too?readless, never. the average player doesn't 3bet wide enough to justify limping these type hands. it's a great adjustment though when someone is 3betshoving a bunch though. it's not like limping T8 is -ev if minraising is better, its just not maxEV - so i would tend to be pretty liberal with how quickly i adjust to limping when im 3bet a few times.if you raise 6 buttons 21-25bb deep and minraise fold 3 or 4 out of 6 times, then your 7th button you pick up T8o i'd def limp at this point 20ish deep. maybe you limp a few times, then find that he's really not 3bet shoving you as much as you thought and was just cardhot - your adjustment wasn't maxEV but we couldn't know that based on the information you had. i would guess that when you are 3bet shoved at 21-25bb stacks 3 or 4 out of 6 button raises, then adjusting to limping T8 type hands is going to be the correct adjustment - of course their will be a decent % of times that they were just cardhot as well.if i limp T8o i'm limp/calling t60-80 - i limped because they were aggressive 3betting. that same player is often the type to raise limps a bit wide, so when needing our expectation to just be better than folding for a call to be correct - that is going to be the best option.
Aggro running goodHow do you keep it up mentaly when this scenario happens:You make marginall folds 2-3 times till you realize that this villain is pretty aggro. Then the time you decide to play back your beten.In thoose situations I almost just give up. When I open he 3B, the next time I limp he raises over and I cant call with that hand and so on.I have no momentum. How do you deal with that?Momentum is a misused/overused term. I think most players view momentum in a heads up match as "being in control of the match" and "being the aggressor".Momentum in a heads up match is much more about variance creating favorable/unfavorable dynamics - i.e., going on a mega-heater of 3bet hands and being able to 3bet 86s - KJ - AK successively, then picking up A9s and 3betting a 4th time in a row and getting jammed on by A2o (which wouldn't have jammed on the first or 2nd, or maybe even the 3rd 3bet). Momentum swung in your favor in the 3bet dynamic, and you were able to maximize value with A9 in a spot you would normally not even 3bet. This is a very favorable dynamic for you, as you could 3bet/call wider than normal - and now villain has been caught 4bet shoving light so the dynamic shifts to you being able to 3bet bluff again relatively soon vs a lot of villains as they won't 4bet shove light as much once they have been caught (and you had a real hand and are clearly calling jams kind of light). So basically variance of card distribution in 3bet pots created a very favorable dynamic for you, and a very unfavorable dynamic for your opponent - this shifts the momentum in your favor as your opponent is more on the defensive now. There are countless examples of this."Being in control of the match" and "being the aggressor" is bull shit. If you are playing an aggro villain who is spewing hard, the way to exploit him is absolutely not to be more aggressive than him or be in control of the match. You beat him by adjusting correctly to his over-inflated ranges.The reason a lot of players want to be "in control of the match as the aggressor" is because they simply don't know how to exploit wide, aggressive ranges properly. When you are properly adjusting to an over-aggressive villain, you actually are the one that is in control of the match bc you are shipping epic EV :)
Fold though you have the right odds to call.I sometimes hate the math in poker. I know I need to call here due to odds but I've seen this line so many times and its so rarely a bluff.Do you fold then or call?Edit : Like the hands here on Kady's thread : http://www.husng.com/content/kadys-road-super-turbos#comment-24352The hand is a lot less interesting to me than your thought process here.Saying you "have the right odds to call" and "I've seen this line so many times and it's so rarely a bluff" is kind of contradictory...incomplete sort of I dunno.When you do a pot odds calc on the river and find that you need to be right 21% of the time for a call to be correct, what does that mean? It means that the hand you call with needs to beat 21% or more of villain's range. So if all you beat is pure air for example, you need 21% or > of villains range to be pure air.So even though 21% is a low % that you need to be correct, if villain's range does not consist of 21% of hands that you beat then you are NOT getting the right odds to call - and should just fold (or RAISE! - lots of situations for it, think about it).
AK: we need to be good 16% (160/1000). we ask ourselves, are we good 16% of the time? - i dont see much air in villains range obv (none), but i can imagine some KX just jamming the river because the remaining stacks or so short, not at high % but maybe 16% of the time. it's close, and i'm not folding - if it was like 20%+ i'd snap-fold though. obv i'm estimating a lot here but that's all we can do.J5: again, need to be right 210/900 or like 16%. it's close again but i'm not folding. K8: i actually commented on this hand in your 2p2 thread. turn and river are pretty bad. these are tough situations, where the difference between calling/folding is going to be negligible. the important thing is what i wrote about in the previous post, just thinking about these situations correctly. you never "have" to call. we are calling here because based on our perception of the average player in these spots, we are getting the correct equity to.
Hey Hokie!Just wanted to say that im glad that you guys are doing the FTP again, you¨re doing a fantastic job.I was thinking of making some posts with similar spots which will make it easier for me to learn I think, if thats ok with you?Like: IP should I CB. IP facing CR etc. I want to hear your thought process from a few combined hands so I can see the bigger picture. You dont have to answer every hand, Im more intressted in how to look at the hand and what things to take into consideration, and see if you find some flwas in my thought process. So today I was thinking of starting of with something as simple as CB. I went through some similar spots that you answered but I dont really get it if we compare the flops that you would check back.Just want to get the thought process right. Think Im to afraid of getting cr since I play soo bad vs check-raises.You said you would CB [Kx on QJT], [Tx on QT9ss], [K8 on T97]. But doesnt these board hit villains calling range really hard? Would you ever consider a smaller CB size vs fish with these hand? I think these spots are better to CB then the above, but you recomended checking behind and stabbing turn. I find them dryer to CB. [A8 on K76ss], [K8 on A53], [Kx on AK5]:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Should I CB here to "protect my hand"? Villain is a reg, so this board pretty much hits his range. If I check back I have no idea what to do if I face a turn DB. I think if it changes the board I fold, and if not I peal one street since he probably know that that is a good board to stab. Effective Stacks: 23bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, JFXmaster calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) JFXmaster checks :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Similar spot. Would hate to see a cr here since he can have some blockers to my out, and I have no idea what to do if I face a turn lead. Dont think I have the odds to call that. Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, killeryan27 calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Ok to check behind? Whats your plan for turn? Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, MatyPokero calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) MatyPokero checks::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Villain hasnt shown to much aggression so I decided to raise this hand. Would you rather limp it? Then on flop, think he had like 55% calling range. CB once to make his draws pay, or check behind and bet turn+ river? Effective Stacks: 16bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 60, manin100986 calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) manin100986 checks::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: How do you like this smaller CB-size on these boards? When would you recomend a smaller CB-size?Sets it up better for barelling and doesnt need to work that often when bluffing. Whats the difference in these hands to think about? Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, Caiofelipemv calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Caiofelipemv checks, Hero bets 30::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Effective Stacks: 22bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, gurzuf5 calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) gurzuf5 checks, Hero bets 30 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, gurzuf5 calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) gurzuf5 checks, Hero bets 30
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Ok Hokie, now to:"CB" in limped potts, <16bb. Dont know how to think since villain can have ATC, and dont know when to use different betsize. When to bet 30/40/60.And then if I face a CR I have a hard time to fold this short. Also unsure if my turn stabs are alright. As I said before. You dont have to talk about every individual hand. Posted a few hands so you can get a better picture of my leaks and give me guideance that will help me plugg many similar spots. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Ok to check behind even though we have two overcards? Ok play on turn, would you get it in on turn? This is what I hate about limped pots, he can have two pair here esaly, I dont think he plays this way with onepair/draw. Effective Stacks: 15bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero calls 15, alir3z checks Flop (60, 2 players) alir3z checks, Hero checks Turn (60, 2 players) alir3z bets 30, Hero raises to 75, alir3z goes all-in 420:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Ok to check behind or do you like a bet of 30? Does the turn bet acomplish anything? Follow up on river?Effective Stacks: 13bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero calls 15, fonzzzie555 checks Flop (60, 2 players) fonzzzie555 checks, Hero checks Turn (60, 2 players) fonzzzie555 checks, Hero bets 30:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Same spot, dont know if the turn barells are good? Follow up on river?Effective Stacks: 16bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero calls 15, Zwöi checks Flop (60, 2 players) Zwöi checks, Hero checks Turn (60, 2 players) Zwöi checks, Hero bets 30:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Check behind when we have SDV and berrel turn and river if they dont complete the straight, say turn 8, river J? Effective Stacks: 15bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero calls 15, Halmai checks Flop (60, 2 players) Halmai checks, Hero bets 30:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Bet this with two over+ GS? Call a cr to 120/all-in? Effective Stacks: 15bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero calls 10, autonano checks Flop (40, 2 players) autonano checks:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Same spot but now Im doing it bigger since I have an openender an Im willing to go all in if villain cr. Effective Stacks: 10bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero calls 20, Omell checks Flop (80, 2 players) Omell checks, Hero bets 40:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Can see him have alot here more then 2x, sometimes Kx, but have seen him pretty active so I think he would push Kx pre. Effective Stacks: 10bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero calls 15, KIA666 checks Flop (60, 2 players) KIA666 checks, Hero bets 30, KIA666 goes all-in 260:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Dont know if I can fold to a cr this short? He can have FD,7x,5x, and im totally owned against Jx. He have cr me once before on a semi-wet board. But I guess this is a fold.Effective Stacks: 11bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero calls 15, alir3z checks Flop (60, 2 players) alir3z checks, Hero bets 30, alir3z goes all-in 645
Facing Donkbets.There isnt something that tilts me more then donkbets. I have such a hard time putting them on a range on certain bords because I would never DB that flop with any of my range, so I cant put myself in their situation. I tend to persive it as weak an play back to often I think. Dont know when I shouldfold/flat/raise?Feels like im to afraid to call, and reevaluate. Im afraid of calling and showing weakness and risking being bluffed of the best hand, even though it seems like they have a decent hand when donkbetting. I raise to take initiative/see where Im at, and I think thats wrong, but I dont know why its wrong. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Raise to take initiative away? But I dont want to get 3B on flop? Better to float and raise turn if its a high card? Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, ad1Nn calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) ad1Nn bets 40::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Cant see many air hands DB here, even draws have very good equity vs me. And his DB size is larger. Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, Melo-Anthony calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Melo-Anthony bets 60::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Can we float with GS+ 1 overcard? Or should we raise and rep a stronger hand, but risking being 3B? Effective Stacks: 22bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, drielotte calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) drielotte bets 40::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Hate to fold in this spot, but it looks very much like 2x, and I dont know what he does on turn. Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, sweet_iniest calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) sweet_iniest bets 80::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Similar spot. Have no Idea what villain is thinking about? Why would any valuehand DB this board?Float and play turn( thats how I would have played 2x)? Effective Stacks: 22bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, PopovAlex74 calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) PopovAlex74 bets 40::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::I dont think I can float with that bigger DB size, butr again, what hand is thinking of DB this flop and why? Effective Stacks: 22bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, vancey23 calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) vancey23 bets 60::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Again, what hand would DB the flop? So I raise as a bluff. And then he DB turn ai. Seems so strange with value. Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, pigshipper06 calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) pigshipper06 bets 60, Hero raises to 160, pigshipper06 calls 100 Turn (400, 2 players) pigshipper06 goes all-in 320::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Again, raising, but I realize now that draws have pretty good EQ against me, but KJ;KQ;QJ would 3B sometime, so I cant really see what he has, I would have raised that DB with air aswell as I cant see him having anything. Effective Stacks: 22bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, fugik calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) fugik bets 40, Hero raises to 100::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Raising to take initiative, maybe should just have flatted? Cant see many air hands here on the turn though. Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, JeffreyFLR calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) JeffreyFLR bets 40, Hero raises to 80, JeffreyFLR calls 40 Turn (240, 2 players) JeffreyFLR checks, Hero bets 120, JeffreyFLR raises to 260
Hey Hokie!Just wanted to say that im glad that you guys are doing the FTP again, you¨re doing a fantastic job.I was thinking of making some posts with similar spots which will make it easier for me to learn I think, if thats ok with you?Boogie! thanks bud. i'm excited for this program too.ya that sounds great. go for it.
SHOULD I CBET HANDS:the only hand that i would check back that you posted (in the first post) is the 65s on KJ7cc.it's all about population tendancies, frequencies, and maxEV decisions yo!i feel like you have been traumatized by being unrealistic about how much your opponents have been c/r'ing you over the years! lolok, seriously now...some population tendancies:- the avg player does not c/r bluff much, especially on wet boards. - the avg player, including regs, flats a wide enough range that cbetting a board like T95dd is still best with atc (barring a read that he c/r's wide). intentionally or not, the avg player correctly flats wide enough that i don't think their range is often isolated to just hitting this board a ton of the time - especially at 15+ stacks!- the average player is passive vs cbets, often folding too barrels too much.so...why are you afraid of getting c/r'd if the avg player doesn't c/r bluff much at all, esp on most of the textures you used as examples? reasons to cbet vs someone who doesn't c/r bluff much:- value- fold equity value- not allowing villain to realize free equity.do you want me to find a post i wrote for chadders where i talk about how to respond to a villain who is c/r you with a wide range? like a lot of the hands you listed are fine to check back if you are actually getting c/r'd wide, just not vs the avg player like i said.fwiw, i would always cbet KT on QJT - vs a wide c/r range it's even better bc you play better vs overall range and might have some fold equity (tho i think bluffs on this board are super rare). even vs a tight c/r range, we can't fold once we are c/r'd - we have like like 40%ish equity vs the std c/r range approx, and once we have our 4bb's committed between pfr and cb we are too committed to be folding just bc we dont have 50%+ equity (if you don't understand this ask more ?s here, i can explain a lot more clearly).
'CBETTING' IN LIMPED POTS:" I Dont know how to think since villain can have ATC, and dont know when to use different betsize. When to bet 30/40/60.And then if I face a CR I have a hard time to fold this short. Also unsure if my turn stabs are alright. As I said before. You dont have to talk about every individual hand. Posted a few hands so you can get a better picture of my leaks and give me guideance that will help me plugg many similar spots." ok i think it would be best to just break down what you said here (your quotes bolded)..."cbetting in limped pots"first, and most importantly, there is no such thing as cbetting in a limped pot - and it would be a huge mistake to treat it the same as cbetting in a raised pot for several big reasons.cbetting in position in a raised pot = when we raised pre and are flatted, villain checks the flop and we 'cbet'stabbing in position in a limped pot = we limp pre villain checks, villain checks flop and we bet (this is not a cbet bc there wasnt a pfr!)why does that matter? bc the avg villain plays INCREDIBLY different in raised pots than they do in limped pots! villain is less committed to a limped pot bc he didnt have to call a pfr. the avg villain fights for limped pots signicantly less than in raised pots for this reason. villain's range is not ATC (bc avg player raises some value over a limp pre), but it's very wide and contains a lot more weak hands than the typical players oop calling range in a raised pot - this means our stab should work with even better frequency than a cbet in a raised pot!villains don't care about limped pots and their range is weak - this is why fighting for limped pots is so important!so with that in mind..."dont know how to think since villain can have ATC": well, he can, but he doesn't. the avg player leads plenty of value hands/draws/and even a little air oop limped. checking ranges are typically pretty weak, and c/r ranges (especially at short eff) are extremely fit or fold/strong. so "he can have ATC" but since we play readless poker by generalizng the range of the average player - that player DOESN'T have atc, but rather a pretty weak overall range. "When to bet 30/40/60."unless you find your opponent to be a big station limped, i would just stab t30 on most boards - t45ish on more wet boards maybe. like i said, villain's checking range on avg is going to be pretty weak, so why would we bet >t30 this short?if he happens to c/c we are at a stack depth where we can bet t30 and follow through w turn/river bets and get stacks in.also, when we bet t45 as a bluff (or a bigger size), increasing our size means the bluff has to work more frequently! 45 into 60 has to work 45/105, 30 into 60 has to work 30/90...a big difference! also when villain c/c t45, it starts setting up pretty poor stacks for us to barrel as a bluff. "And then if I face a CR I have a hard time to fold this short."again, stop with the c/r paranoia! the avg player doesn't c/r wide in raised pots, and they certainly don't c/r wide in limped pots (significantly less imo, esp as a bluff). final thought:most importantly, you just need to remember that you are trying to make the maxEV play - we aren't trying to NEVER get c/r bluffed. if villain's c/r range in a raised or limped pot is 80% value and 20% bluffs, it's ok to get bluffed by that small % of his c/r range!our plays don't have to work 100% of the time, and we can't exploit a range that consists of 80% value with 3rd pair type hands, and just assume we can hero-handread and pick off those 20% bluffs. i'm rambling, but i think the point is getting across?
the 'how to respond vs donkbets' is so board texture+hand specific that i don't want to generalize too much about it. i'm going to respond to each of those hands individually a little later.
Wow, yeah, i have been very traumatized by being unrealistic about how much your opponents have been c/r'ing you over the years! It so much ego involved when I get cr. It feels like they own me, like maybe I have to fold the best hand, maybe I would hit my draw if I would check back. And then comes the second problem, I have no idea on how to react well to the cr, I never 3B bluff the flop because "I wanna get it good", and if I flat I almost always "have to" fold turn. But yeah, good that you pointed it out that they dont cr wide. Will post about facing cr in the next post tomorrow and maybe that will help me solve some problems coneccted to the CB-fear. I could never dream of CB T95dd with atc..Hahaha.. But isnt this board more weat then KJxss board that you wouldnt CB? But in the T7 hand on Q98ss, what if I get cr there. I would feel so bad if he cr ai, looks like a draw, but I cant call it, and if he cr to 100/120 I call and I miss, then its even worse. So i feel better to check behind and stab turn or call turn lead. But you still stand by your point to CB evenin this hand for value/FE? You said you would CB [Kx on QJT], [Tx on QT9ss], [K8 on T97]. But doesnt these board hit villains calling range really hard? Do we have enoughEQ/FE? Would you ever consider a smaller CB size vs fish with these hand? I think these spots are better to CB then the above:: [A8 on K76ss], [K8 on A53], [Kx on AK5] but you recomended checking behind and stabbing turn. Arent they dryer and better to CB?Edit: I saw you recommended someone to check behind 77 on 98xss and K4 on QJT (the Kx hand was shorter, 15bb). Why? And I also find this contradicting to the above (from donkkings thread): [AK on QT7hh] "it depends on our opponents oop calling range. the averag eplayers oop calling range doesn't have much pure air on a QT7hh board, not much at all. so i'd really just cbet this board vs someone who is calling basically atc oop. even if someone is "being nitty" they just have so many hands still on this board that are never folding. boards like this, J95hh."' Thats why I get confused - I cant see the read line..
Awesome points about stabing in limped pots. Such an eyeopener. That their range is so weak, and that they dont have just ATC. This: again, stop with the c/r paranoia! the avg player doesn't c/r wide in raised pots, and they certainly don't c/r wide in limped pots (significantly less imo, esp as a bluff). final thought:most importantly, you just need to remember that you are trying to make the maxEV play - we aren't trying to NEVER get c/r bluffed. if villain's c/r range in a raised or limped pot is 80% value and 20% bluffs, it's ok to get bluffed by that small % of his c/r range!our plays don't have to work 100% of the time, and we can't exploit a range that consists of 80% value with 3rd pair type hands, and just assume we can hero-handread and pick off those 20% bluffs. I dont know why Im so paranoid about being cr and also that thing about that I never wanna get cr bluffed hit me so hard! Unconciusly I want my play to work 100%. So often when I CB I think what if he cr me? And then comes the next thought, I dont beleive him, but I cant do shit about it. So Im caught in two worlds. Will defenitly think about what you said and work alot on how to react to cr, think about them so I know how to react to them, together with working on my mental game, and understanding the math/ranges/frequency they cr with. Can you give me a quick insight in which of the boards in the limped pots that you would stab? Or if I understand it corectly you would stab all of them since a stab has to work even less often then a CB, and that we can barell many turn cards since they dont fight for limped pots?Thanks!Have a great day!
Damn, I feel like a totally new player today. CB as a maniac (so it feels compared to before), and I dont understand why they dont cr me anymore? A very strange paradox.. I was waiting to get cr every hand, but it never happend..And Im stabing limped pots aswell as a maniac, and I works so well that I cant belive it!!?
Hey!Just wanted to share some "brag" hands from today against some top REGs at the 30s and 60s where I think I played pretty good (and some hands against fish). I really went out of my comfort zone today and tried to think a bit more, dont know how recriational it is but it worked anyways. Feelt pretty good overall with my game today. Maybe Im a huge fish, maybe not? ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Ranked 9 total profit 2011 $35-$100. So this guy limped evey fucking garbage hands, he played 100% IP shortstack down to 4BB. Hands like 82, 73. But he didnt stab without a hand and he was aggro against stabs. So I stabbed turn and cc river since I cant see him having many value hands that jams that river after just checking flop and calling turn. Effective Stacks: 8bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players) Hero is BB PassDeGravy calls 20, Hero checks Flop (80, 2 players) Hero checks, PassDeGravy checksTurn (80, 2 players) Hero bets 40, PassDeGravy calls 40River (160, 2 players) Hero checks, PassDeGravy bets 560, Hero goes all-in 240 Final Pot: 960 Hero shows two pair, Sixes and Deuces PassDeGravy shows a pair of Sixes Hero wins 640 ( won +320 ) PassDeGravy lost -320:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Same villan. Cant see him having much here so wanted to cc and let him CBT and cr all in on turn if it was safe. So he checked turn so I wanted to bet river to induce something since I dont rep much with this line, think he expects me to cr flop with Jx and 6x/3x wouldnt DB this river. Effective Stacks: 9bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players) Hero is BB PassDeGravy calls 20, Hero checks Flop (80, 2 players) Hero checks, PassDeGravy bets 40, Hero calls 40Turn (160, 2 players) Hero checks, PassDeGravy checksRiver (160, 2 players) Hero bets 80, PassDeGravy calls 80Final Pot: 320 Hero shows two pair, Jacks and Tens PassDeGravy shows Hero wins 320 ( won +160 ) PassDeGravy lost -160 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Dont know how good this turn check is, but Ive seen that it induces alot from regs, and then I push river since I dont rep alot by this line. Effective Stacks: 13bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 60, PassDeGravy calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) PassDeGravy checks, Hero bets 60, PassDeGravy calls 60Turn (240, 2 players) PassDeGravy checks, Hero checksRiver (240, 2 players) PassDeGravy checks, Hero goes all-in 255, PassDeGravy calls 255 Final Pot: 750 Hero shows a pair of Queens PassDeGravy shows a pair of Sixes Hero wins 750 ( won +375 ) PassDeGravy lost -375 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Nr.1 winning reg at the $30s 2011. I just wanted to cc turn to rep a draw, didnt want to push him of something weak, and then I check on river to rep my missed draw and giving him a last chance to bluff. Effective Stacks: 23bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB RJRJ raises to 40, Hero calls 20Flop (80, 2 players) Hero checks, RJRJ bets 40, Hero calls 40Turn (160, 2 players) Hero checks, RJRJ bets 100, Hero calls 100River (360, 2 players) Hero checks, RJRJ goes all-in 360, Hero goes all-in 280Final Pot: 1000 Hero shows a straight, Six to Ten RJRJ shows high card Ace Hero wins 920 ( won +460 ) RJRJ lost -460 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Tryied to get max value. By river I only put him on Ax or nothing, maybe a missed draw, so I thought that my river bet should look like a wanted a fold/didnt expect a call, really hard for him to put me on any value range with this line. Effective Stacks: 23bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, norainnornbw calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) norainnornbw checks, Hero bets 30, norainnornbw calls 30Turn (140, 2 players) norainnornbw checks, Hero bets 60, norainnornbw calls 60River (260, 2 players) norainnornbw checks, Hero bets 150, norainnornbw calls 150Final Pot: 560 Hero shows a full house, Eights full of Threes norainnornbw shows Hero wins 560 ( won +280 ) norainnornbw lost -280 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Didnt expect him to be abell to call a 2barell with alot so I wanted to act weak and give him a chance to bluff on river. Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, fusya1986 calls 20Flop (80, 2 players) fusya1986 checks, Hero bets 40, fusya1986 calls 40Turn (160, 2 players) fusya1986 checks, Hero check River (160, 2 players) fusya1986 bets 80, Hero calls 80Final Pot: 320 fusya1986 shows a pair of Eights Hero shows two pair, Kings and Eights Hero wins 320 ( won +160 ) fusya1986 lost -160 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Bad raise by me, have no excuse for it. I just posted it because my river check worked :) checked behind since I could see him call a DB with alot so I gave him a chance to bluff it. Effective Stacks: 19bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB B3tf0rV4lu3 calls 10, Hero raises to 70, B3tf0rV4lu3 calls 50Flop (140, 2 players) Hero checks, B3tf0rV4lu3 checksTurn (140, 2 players) Hero bets 80, B3tf0rV4lu3 calls 80River (300, 2 players) Hero checks, B3tf0rV4lu3 goes all-in 480, Hero goes all-in 220Final Pot: 1000 Hero shows a flush, Queen high - Ten higher B3tf0rV4lu3 shows a flush, Queen high Hero wins 740 ( won +370 ) B3tf0rV4lu3 lost -370 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::This villain opened alot and CB alot so i decided to cc with my 2 overs to the MP. When he checks turn I thought there wasnt much that could stand a big river donkbet. Dont know where this play came from. Would never dare to play this way before. Effective Stacks: 18bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB Rain322 raises to 40, Hero calls 20Flop (80, 2 players) Hero checks, Rain322 bets 40, Hero calls 40Turn (160, 2 players) Hero checks, Rain322 checksRiver (160, 2 players) Hero bets 100, Rain322 foldsFinal Pot: 260 Hero wins 260 ( won +80 ) Rain322 lost -80 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Again, just giving him a chance to bluff river. Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB syvers007 raises to 40, Hero raises to 100, syvers007 calls 60Flop (200, 2 players) Hero checks, syvers007 checksTurn (200, 2 players) Hero bets 120, syvers007 calls 120River (440, 2 players) Hero checks, syvers007 goes all-in 250, Hero calls 250Final Pot: 940 Hero shows a flush, Ace high syvers007 shows a pair of Sevens Hero wins 940 ( won +470 ) syvers007 lost -470 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::I have no idea of why I played it this way in game. His action just didnt make sense on the river, so I just pushed and hoped for the best. Couldnt see 3x/Jx play this way and the odd betsize is often a bluff from my experience with fish. Yeah, a bit recreational I know :) Effective Stacks: 22bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, kubanito10 calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) kubanito10 checks, Hero bets 40, kubanito10 calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) kubanito10 checks, Hero checksRiver (160, 2 players) kubanito10 bets 64, Hero goes all-in 480, kubanito10 foldsFinal Pot: 704 Hero wins 704 ( won +144 ) kubanito10 lost -144 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Gl to you all!
Facing crSo this it the thing Im most afraid of because Im so unsure of how to respond to it. I always think Im dominated or playing against draws with good EQ or that villain is bluffing/owning me so I dont dare to play back to find out which (I never 3B bluff the flop, have no idea what I would do that with? And if I need to do that against anybody except regs that im gonna play alot). And if i have and OE I dont know how to play the turn if I call so I just jam flop so I dont have to be but in a though spot on turn. I dont know how to play midpair and how to react to differnt cr-sizes. The mincr seems to be such a value line and the 100/120 feels to big to call and hope for the best. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Midpair and there are so many draws on the flop. Dont know if it would make any difference if the boards was less connected, but then he would have even less reason to cr. And since I have MP its even smaller chance that he has a worse MP, so Im pretrty much up against Kx and draws that have good EQ against me. Fold?
Effective Stacks: 25bb
Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)
Hero is SB
Hero raises to 40, IwilldropU calls 20
Flop (80, 2 players)
IwilldropU checks, Hero bets 40, IwilldropU raises to 120, Hero folds
Final Pot: 240:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Heres two spots where I have TP but I dont know when to 3B flop and when to call and let him barell and re-raise turn AI.
Effective Stacks: 22bb
Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)
Hero is SB
Hero raises to 40, popek88r calls 20
Flop (80, 2 players)
popek88r checks, Hero bets 40, popek88r raises to 100, Hero calls 60
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Cant see him have alot here. Can I get away from the hands since he looks so strong?
Effective Stacks: 25bb
Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)
Hero is SB
Hero raises to 40, Spokercal calls 20
Flop (80, 2 players)
Spokercal checks, Hero bets 40, Spokercal raises to 100, Hero calls 60
Turn (280, 2 players)
Spokercal bets 140, Hero calls 140
River (560, 2 players)
Spokercal goes all-in 220:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::I hate that mincr, its often so strong and this is such a dway board. BUt I think I have to call given the price to hit trips/2pair, think I have to fold to a betsize of 100.Effective Stacks: 22bb
Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)
Hero is SB
Hero raises to 40, DyaLikeThat? calls 20
Flop (80, 2 players)
DyaLikeThat? checks, Hero bets 40, DyaLikeThat? raises to 80:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::And here comes the anoying spots with Ax where I wanna play back. Did my small CB size induce? But if I call I have no idea what to do on the turn and I dont know if the average population continues with bluffs on turn or if they shut down.
Effective Stacks: 22bb
Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)
Hero is SB
Hero raises to 40, hasenpoker calls 20
Flop (80, 2 players)
hasenpoker checks, Hero bets 30, hasenpoker raises to 100, Hero folds::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Why would villain cr this dry flop? Or does they even know what I dry flop is? I hate being cr on dry flops!
Effective Stacks: 25bbBlinds 10/20Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, Rockchuvak calls 20Flop (80, 2 players) Rockchuvak checks, Hero bets 40, Rockchuvak raises to 107:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::A spot where Im afaid that if I hit I wont get any more value from my hand, so maybe its just best to fold?
Effective Stacks: 25bb
Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)
Hero is SB
Hero raises to 40, kikune calls 20
Flop (80, 2 players)
kikune checks, Hero bets 40, kikune raises to 100:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::A shortstack situation where I have two overs with backdoor flush and straight but I think I need to fold here.
Effective Stacks: 16bb
Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players)
Hero is SB
Hero raises to 60, jasjas11 calls 30
Flop (120, 2 players)
jasjas11 checks, Hero bets 60, jasjas11 raises to 120:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::A spot where I have a weak TP on a drawy boards, so flipping against draws and killed by better 9x.
Effective Stacks: 25bb
Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)
Hero is SB
Hero raises to 40, TheCoonStep calls 20
Flop (80, 2 players)
TheCoonStep checks, Hero bets 60, TheCoonStep raises to 180:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Dont know if i will get value if i hit my fd and he can be on a better FD.
Effective Stacks: 24bb
Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)
Hero is SB
Hero raises to 40, popek88r calls 20
Flop (80, 2 players)
popek88r checks, Hero bets 40, popek88r raises to 100, Hero goes all-in 440:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::I have no idea of how to play the turn if i call so I just push and hope for the best, but im afraid that I dont do that well against that cr size on this board.
Effective Stacks: 22bb
Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)
Hero is SB
Hero raises to 40, omerady calls 20
Flop (80, 2 players)
omerady checks, Hero bets 40, omerady raises to 120, Hero goes all-in 530:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Think I have to call with gs + 2 overs to MP, but have no idea what to do if villain bets 100/120.
Effective Stacks: 19bb
Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)
Hero is SB
Hero raises to 40, hasenpoker calls 20
Flop (80, 2 players)
hasenpoker checks, Hero bets 40, hasenpoker raises to 80
Check raising.I feel alright about this one, but I think that I overdoit sometimes just because it fancy, or sexy like mers says. I sometimes do it "readless" of how much villain is opening/CB, I just do it because I think that they will have alot of air in that spot, but I dont think its +EV. And then I have no clue what to do if I get called. I dont have the balls to barell turn even though I know that villan doesnt often have TP because they usually 3B it on flop.How do you use the bz. Do you do 80/100/120 with different range? I tend to do 80 with bluffs, 100 with strong hand that doesnt need to be protected, 120 with weaker hand so I can jam turn and sometimes im jaming TP on drawy boards vs regs to rep draws. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Here Id like to cr since I dont have any SDV. I dont know how are fish are of this being a dry bord and only seeing the A as scarecard?Edit: I dont rep anything by DB and think I will get floated alot, I cant cc with GS, and like you said I cant cr because I get played back to much on Ax boards so just cf? Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB vialli7775 raises to 40, Hero calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Hero checks, vialli7775 bets 40:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::CR with 2 overs to MP and backdoor, I do this alot! Maybe better to cc/cf?Edit: Still thinking it alright to cr, but to 100. But again, what do you think of cr readless? Effective Stacks: 21bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB shimshonit calls 10, Hero checks Flop (40, 2 players) Hero checks, shimshonit bets 40, Hero raises to 80:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Same as above.Edit: This one is a bit more connected, so might need to work more often. Effective Stacks: 22bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB Andrex Puppy raises to 40, Hero calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Hero checks, Andrex Puppy bets 30, Hero raises to 80:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::I cr this board because it hits my range better.Edit: I expect most villains to stab this with air so would cr still be best or do we stab flop and hoping to take it down? Effective Stacks: 21bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB cocoa332 calls 10, Hero checks Flop (40, 2 players) Hero checks, cocoa332 bets 20, Hero raises to 50:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::I dont wanna see many turn, and this doesnt hit his limping range, but I think he will stab it.Edit: Same as above. Is it better to cr if I think he will stab this with air? What did acomplish by stabing and having him to fold? Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB goldelkun calls 10, Hero checks Flop (40, 2 players) Hero checks, goldelkun bets 20, Hero raises to 60:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::The middleing cards that doesnt wanna fold and sees an oportunity to win the pott. Edit: I think this is to light since there are alot more FD combos that will continue. But if it where a rainbow flop I think I would get floated alot. Do you like cf/cc? Effective Stacks: 23bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB syvers007 raises to 40, Hero calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Hero checks, syvers007 bets 40, Hero raises to 100 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::I dont know which would be the better here aswell at 25BB. CC deeper and cr shorter? I dont know if im doing that great vs a cr calling range. Edit: I think I need to call if villain 3B ai and not doing well against that range. Effective Stacks: 16bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB mikecroucher raises to 40, Hero calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Hero checks, mikecroucher bets 40, Hero raises to 120
98o hand just downloaded flopzilla trial and was playing around.for your c/r to be profitable he has to fold 45 % of his cb rangeif we assume villian opens a range that looks this 67.4 %AA-66,AKo-A2o,KQo-K2o,QJo-Q2o,JTo-J5o,T9o-T6o,98o-96o,87o-86o,76o,65o,AKs-A2s,KQs-K2s,QJs-Q2s,JTs-J2s,T9s-T2s,98s-96s,87s-85s,76s-75s,65s,54sand he cbets 100 %he will continue with 2nd pair+ and flushdraws and fold the remainingno made hand 43.8 % , 3.4 % of that range is flushdraws which he continues with so this range makes up for 40.4 % ace high 18.1 %this is already 58 % of his range that is folding. lets try and remove Ax besides AK, AQ, A7, A2 no made hands 47 % ace high 2.4 %weak pair 5.40 %this is 55.8 % of his that is folding
Awesome.. Will have to have a look at the software and see. What about if we are readless and play according to avg pop tendencies till we can adapt more.So if he is opening 55% and CB 60% then its a clear fold right?
DBIm unsure of how to play my DB if i get re-reraised on the flop, if I should call or 3B with draws and if I should call or 3B with nuts. And some hands might not even be DB hands?? ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: This hits his limping range pretty hard. So maybe just cc any size up to pottbet, but then im worried i wond get any value if i hit my draw. Edit: CC since we´re not giving up much eq and we can stab many turns if he checks behind? DB if I see him checking behind weak SD hands, but check as standard? Effective Stacks: 23bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB Nikke_24 raises to 40, Hero calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::The 3x is usually strong so I might just cf flop? As played if I DB I dont know if I should call that re-raise?Edit: Think I can make a small DB of 55 and fold to raise. CC is bad on this wet board. Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB davidndaira raises to 60, Hero calls 40 Flop (120, 2 players) Hero bets 60, davidndaira raises to 160 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Maybe this is just a cc but I dont want to give away free EQ? But are we winning anything if we hit our draw? And what to do if we Db and get re-raised?Edit: Check and let him define his range. But still I dont wanna give away the initiative. Effective Stacks: 21bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB huesinter calls 10, Hero raises to 70, huesinter calls 50 Flop (140, 2 players) Hero bets 80, huesinter raises to 160 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: I DB so draws doesnt check behind, but when i face this re-raise I dont know if im doing that well against draws, better 8x and Tx. And it would suck to call and cf turn and so is getting it in.Edit: I wont be a huge favorit if I get it in on flop, so cc and cf to further barells on overcards/draws that got there?Effective Stacks: 23bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB ljubbo raises to 40, Hero calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: I have a real issue with thoose draws when facing a re-raise. Same as before, didnt think many villains CB this board. But vs better flushdraws/QX/TX im not doing well. Just bf?Edit: CC since most villains arent gonna continue to barell this board light, and if he is not CB this board he isnt that strong so I can DB many turns (though a bit worried to DB turn and get raised of best hand, but dont think that will happen often enough if he doesnt cb this board.). Effective Stacks: 23bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB John_Doe0 raises to 40, Hero calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Hero bets 40, John_Doe0 raises to 100 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: And heres two hands where I dont know if I want to slowplay or fastplay. Maybe this one is better to fastplay since he wont have alot of turn cards to barell, and the other one flat and let him barell, but then maybe he will give up with his 3x?Edit: Flat and hope he is doing some stupid shit on turn, Im not that worrid of many turn cards, but at the same time I dont want him to check behind turn and hit 2pair or something. Effective Stacks: 23bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB Kseni@911 calls 10, Hero raises to 80, Kseni@911 calls 60 Flop (160, 2 players) Hero bets 80, Kseni@911 raises to 160, Hero goes all-in 380, Kseni@911 folds ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Edit: Should have check and let him catch up a bit. Did cb because that would look weakest but at the same time, the only hand that might spazz out are Kx and thats a narrow range. Effective Stacks: 23bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB ullicha calls 10, Hero raises to 70, ullicha calls 50 Flop (140, 2 players) Hero bets 80, ullicha raises to 160, Hero raises to 240, ullicha calls 80
DB limped potsIm unsure of how to play DB if i get re-reraised on the flop. And I dont know how to play some hands vs regs that will understand that I dont have a shit in that spot, and does the fishes understand it to? ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::DB to protect eq? Cr if he stabs light, but then vs a thinking reg we cant rep alot of hands on this flop so it would be awfull to get 3B on flop.Edit: Stab and take it down, dont let draws get there for free. He wont play back at me light.Effective Stacks: 21bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB makisflou calls 10, Hero checks Flop (40, 2 players) :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Stab this short. I cant rep anything and its more likely for him to have trapped me pre. And whats our plan if we get floated? How would you play this if your where IP with air and a reg DB into us and we have air? Can we float and expect him to give up on turn?Edit: Stab and get him to fold the low hands that can float us. CF vs reg since he can see through this stab and he is more inclined to limp trapp?Effective Stacks: 9bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BB goldfish108 calls 15, Hero checks Flop (60, 2 players) Hero bets 30, goldfish108 calls 30 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: I have no idea what he is doing? Slowplayed Ax? Do you see any merit in DBT except froptecting eq vs FD?Edit: Stab and take down the pot instead of giving free EQ? Cr if he limps weak and stab light.Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB goldfish108 calls 10, Hero checks Flop (40, 2 players) Hero checks, goldfish108 checks ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: I would like to know what a connedted board means to you. Are these boards to connected to stab? Can we cc flop or are our hands to weak?Edit: Stab and give up. Effective Stacks: 14bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BB fackyo905 calls 15, Hero checks Flop (60, 2 players) Hero checks, fackyo905 checks :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Edit: Same, stab and give up. Effective Stacks: 17bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB Helen_OK calls 10, Hero checks Flop (40, 2 players) Hero checks, Helen_OK checks
I could never dream of CB T95dd with atc..Hahaha.. But isnt this board more weat then KJxss board that you wouldnt CB? ya, it is, but vs someone who doesn't play back much and has a standard flatting range they will miss this board more than often enough still for a cbet to be better than checking back. think about all the standard flatting hands that missed.But in the T7 hand on Q98ss, what if I get cr there. I would feel so bad if he cr ai, looks like a draw, but I cant call it, and if he cr to 100/120 I call and I miss, then its even worse. So i feel better to check behind and stab turn or call turn lead. But you still stand by your point to CB evenin this hand for value/FE?think about his entire range! most of his range doesn't c/r, and the part that does you can assume is pretty fit or fold. so you correctly fold to the jam if you aren't getting the right odds, and are happy with the fact that he c/f other parts of his range and will c/c a bunch and you realize equity that way too. again, you are trying to prevent yourself from getting c/r'd ever. if you get c/r by QT, so what? you also got some folds and got some c/cs that you can barrel well in some spots too and realize equity etc. You said you would CB [Kx on QJT], [Tx on QT9ss], [K8 on T97]. But doesnt these board hit villains calling range really hard? Do we have enoughEQ/FE? Would you ever consider a smaller CB size vs fish with these hand? I think these spots are better to CB then the above:: [A8 on K76ss], [K8 on A53], [Kx on AK5] but you recomended checking behind and stabbing turn. Arent they dryer and better to CB?villain still has air in his range on those examples, and you aren't getting c/r'd that much! think about his whole range like i said, how many hands are really c/r'ing us? we have good barrel opps on turn/river. it's not like i'd tell you to cbet total air on these boards, but we have an oesd/2nd pair/oesd respectively (good equity). if villain was c/ring us with a wide range, all of these hands would be checkbacks.where are you getting the last 3 examples from? i would check that back vs someone who is c/ring a wide range (polarized cbet range). we do not need to polarize our cbet range vs the avg player tho bc they are too passive and fold to cbets/barrels too much. vs fish, weak KX on AK5 can be good to check back tho just bc its hard to get value on the flop and it's a board where you aren't giving up free equity a ton with a check.the only boards that i'm checking back readless are boards where i simply don't think cbetting is profitable bc villains range hits it too hard and we don't have enough equity to cbet. i don't worry about how often i'm getting c/r'd at all, bc the avg player cr's a really fit or fold range a lot of the time.Edit: I saw you recommended someone to check behind 77 on 98xss and K4 on QJT (the Kx hand was shorter, 15bb). Why? And I also find this contradicting to the above (from donkkings thread): 77 hand: the 77 hand was pretty short if i remember right? let's assume so...there is a huge difference bt villain's typical flatting range ~20-25bb deep and 15bb deep. 15bb deep they flat a tighter range that connects a ton more to these boards, when we cbet at these short eff stx we commit ourselves a lot more to continuing vs a c/r as well, and most importantly at short eff stx villain will start c/r a bunch of hands that he wouldnt c/r typically 20-25 deep bc of the short stack depthit depends on eff stx, population tendancies, villains oop range, villains c/r range, our equity. i would cbet 77 20-25bb deep, as well as KX on QJT - the pop tends of oop ranges and c/r freqs are hugely diff at these differing eff stx.[AK on QT7hh] "it depends on our opponents oop calling range. the averag eplayers oop calling range doesn't have much pure air on a QT7hh board, not much at all. so i'd really just cbet this board vs someone who is calling basically atc oop.even if someone is "being nitty" they just have so many hands still on this board that are never folding. boards like this, J95hh."'i would cbet AK on QT7hh, we have good equity and are ahead of some draws and play well vs a c/c range. if i suggest checking back here, i don't like my advise. on the other hand, i'd be checking back all other AX and KX that doesnt have pair (other than KJ or flush draws obv). the board does crush villains oop range, but with 2 overs and a gutshot AK is doing well enough to cbet and continue vs a c/r imo (jam).Thats why I get confused - I cant see the read line..i think you just want an easy, blanket statement answer and it's just not that simple. it depends on a bunch of different factors.
24: i think you see too much 6X/78. i'd need to know he's pretty bluffy to call considering you need to be right like 35-40%. it's close tho i guess. i wouldn't be calling as std thoJ4: i would definitely c/jam the flop 9bb deep. if villain is stabbing light, he's just going to shut down turn/rivers a ton...pretty rare that a thinking player (or fish) is barreling off postflop in a 9bb pot. if you check/jam, he is committed to call with all his draws, 6X, 3X, Ahigh and K high.Q4: against a thinking player, i would definitely cbet this flop smaller at such short eff stx. you shouldn't be cbetting your air here t60 (you don't need to). i'd cbet t4586hh: lead the turn. even if he is sketpical of it, he is going to flat with so many combo draws/pairs/draws etc - a lot of which are goign to just check back the turn when checked to to realize equity. Q8: this is a really bad float, unless he is shutting down turn a ton and folding a lot of rivers. if he's cbetitng as wide as you say, i like a c/r though. in general, you are getting barreled too much and your backdoor equity draws really aren't all that strong either. this is really bad imo. other hands seem to be played ok mostly.
how to continue vs a c/r:there are too many factors in facing a c/r for me to make a big blanket statement about how to deal with. in general tho, just thinking about what your equity looks like vs his range. if you don't have reason to think yo uare getting c/r'd light, i'd assume your oppoentn isn't c/ring much since most do not. a lot of these hands, if you are getting c/r'd a lot, they would be in my checkback range.J6: folding vs the big size looks good to me. t120 is going to be a range that really crushes J6 imo, and has basically no bluffs. i'd flat a t90/100 and fold to turn leads a lot fwiw.QJ: since it's a relatively dry board, i like that flat. it makes sense for him to have c/r bluffs here. and the hands you stack by jamming flop (worse JX) are going to stack off on pretty much any turn still.T8: with so few chips behind on the turn, i would just jam to protect equity. it's pretty damn rare that someone is firing complete air on that river imo. flop looks good.T7: ya just flat/reevaluate, fold the turn a decent amount. just keep the hand in mind if this happens, is he doing it a lot? even if he's bluffing you here like 10% of his overall c/r range, it's not often enough for you to worry about it so keep that in mindA4: fold and keep the hand in the back of your mind. avg player doesn't bluff often enough to contine here.A2: avg player doesnt cr enough. fold prob. close tho.Q2: you are getting the right odds to call, and are going to get value some too, so call. you can't just consider whether or not you are going to get value, if you are getting the right odds you simply can not fold. QJhh: close i guess. you'll pick up a lot of draws on the turn, but it's safe to assume avg player is going to be jamming turn and we don't continue well vs that, so im folding96: jam, his c/r size is too big to flat.45: standard98: considering all the blockers in his range, flush draws that crush us, 2 pair, straights, T9 etc etc...i would just fold flop esp vs the bigger size. it's tempting to continue bc we have an oesd, but in reality we are crushed by the typical c/r range here. still not nearly enough reason to check back though. cbet should def still show better exp bc players fold too much and are too passiveQT: flat and reevaluate just don't be so worried about always picking off c/r bluffs. it's going to happen, we're going to get bluffed. but most of the time villain isn't going to play back nearly enough, so we need to take advantage of that. when we realize we are getting c/r a lot, we adjust quickly.
Thats why I get confused - I cant see the read line..i think you just want an easy, blanket statement answer and it's just not that simple. it depends on a bunch of different factors.No, not at all. Im starting to see the picture now on CB. The different stacksizes and that they nit up more shortstack explained alot!! aswell to see how your thinking about our EQ when deciding to CB (The AK vs Ax hand on QTxhh). On the brag hands - damn I need to stop playing so fancy/sexy and play maxEV instead of trying to make plays that makes me feel good..Thanks for the correction.. About cr - ya its starting to get into my head now that I should CB till I have a reason not to, and not trying to catch them the small % of the time when they are cr-bluffing. I usually insta assumed they cr bluffed me, even if its the first time because this was a good spot to cr, and never thought of it like their overall range and how many blockers they can have and that they usually follow up on turn aso. I totally overestimated my EQ and underestimated their range. Also got a better picture of when to call depending on betsize, when to call with odds, and when to fastplay or call with TP. Time to put down the ego and start making/saving some money in thoose spots instead. (Cant imagine how much money Ive spent to pick of bluffs, dont even wanna know..)
ya, looks like we are on the same page now then. i didn't mean to be like "you just want poker to be easy, you fish!" lol...i just really wanted to stress how important it is that you focus on maxEV and not just doing things to avoid being tilted :)i think the cbetting stuff will show a pretty quick improvement in your ROI, as long as you don't barreltard too much bc u have a lot of air :) (thats something i used to be bad about). just remember, you didn't cbet the flop bc barreling turn/rivers was +ev usually...you cbet the flop bc you had enough fold equity to cbet the flop alone (not always true, some situations we cbet to barrel a lot, but in general it is a good thought process)
Hey hokie where did you find the table for calling expectation oop?Found these three post but none of them says anything about our exp from calling. One more thing of exp, does it changes with eff stack and how much? Where did you see that Q5o has something like -0.7bb expectation? http://www.husng.com/content/readless-ranges-what-do-20bb-deep-big-blind-against-unknown-opponenthttp://www.husng.com/content/jamming-expectation-20bb-deep-big-blind-vs-70-button-opener-lets-talk-through-ithttp://www.husng.com/content/leak-plugging-do-you-call-too-tight-oop About jaming ss. I didnt fully understand your thoughtprocess when you said that our jam needs to work less often and that we need less FE the shorter we get, because we risk less to win the same amount. How does that work?
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