Hi
I play on stars under the sn of ltd.Makelove. Few weeks ago I played a 500hu match against mrgr33n13. we all know he is a top reg and has top results, but during the game there was a hand where he called me with K high and lost the pot, after this he started calling me an idiot and insulting me. He hit a three outer on turn later to win the match, and wrote ty donk i make money cause of players like you. Maybe he tried to tilt me but this showed how arrogant Dan is, and I have no respect for him. Unfortunately I do not have the screen shot of this but why would i lie...
You shouldn't be playing 25x over your buyin level, nor sitting the best player in the game I'd imagine.
And Dan shouldn't be berating anyone sitting 25x over their buyin level. He was likely tilting, even the best can get emotional, in a lot of ways, the emotion that fuels the motivation of many good players has another side to it.
"the emotion that fuels the motivation of many good players has another side to it."
Hi Ryan!
Can you elaborate more on this subject or at least point me to some material? I've been noticing this in myself also. I'm extremely competitive and it seems that poker brings out the worst in me, when I'm running bad. I mean, the things that I write in the chatbox are not something that I'm proud of. There are bigger things in life than poker and I seem to forget this when I'm playing.
About 17 years or so ago, I was probably in 4th or 5th grade. I remember we had just gotten AOL on a desktop computer and I had one of my first experiences with the internet.
There wasn't much that I cared to look for on the internet back then, so I went into chat rooms. Sometimes I'd say some things that I'd never say to someone, I mean these were chats where every other word was "699999 lol" and such. It was basically a spew fest for kids to say bad words (and possibly predators as well).
So I think it's sort of like that in a way. You're facing people you know are real, you're emotional (in my example, I was a kid, in these examples, young adults are winning and losing tons of money in short periods of time, might have the same effect) and there's no real consequence to what you say in a chat. Worst case, a PokerStars moderator bans your chat (which is probably doing you a favor anyways).
People justify it in various ways "it gives me an edge" "it really tilts my opponent" but I think most people that say that tend to see it the way they see lucky streaks on the craps table: it doesn't really exist, you don't have an edge (you look at one or two good examples and ignore four or five bad ones). It's even tougher with chat. Did your opponent tilt because you said something in chat? Was that bad play even tilt? What about recognizing when your own chat tilts yourself?
At the end of the day, I think chatting and harassing people in chat has a lot more to do with one's own emotions than a real strategy.
I could be wrong, it's not an easy area to really pinpoint, I'm just basing my opinion on years of discussing and observing these things with players from micro to nosebleeds and I feel I've seen a pattern, enough to form my opinion.
I'm not sure I understand you. I mean, I understand the consequences of such behaviour in chat, but I would like to know more about 'another side of emotions, that fuels the motivation of good players', as you call it. What causes it, how can it be fixed etc. I'm sure there's a lot of psychology behind it, but I don't know where to start searching.
I mean for me personally, I think that saying all that crap is just a filter for negative emotions, to direct them at someone else so I wouldn't tilt. I sort of become more focused as a desire to win is even bigger when bad players are winning vs. me. But I want to control this focus in some other way obviously.
I need to read The Mental Game of Poker or something ...
What Ryan tries to point out to you, is that in the beginning the emotion is neither good nor bad. It simply *is*. An emotion can be motivate you to grind for another 2 hours (heather) or it can be tilting, make you blind and angry.
The perfect achievment for any poker player would be to be in full control of your emotion. Meaning; you are in a position to call up your positive emotions, while your negative emotions are fully controlled. In reality this would be about the same as creating a fully controlled alternative ego which you can influence (leave) any time. It's never gonna happen.
The question I ask myself is; why are we even discussing this here? It is not important why he did insult you. If he regrets it or not, does not matter. If you lost your respect, you've lost it anyways. I dunno that guy in person, but for me it makes no sense to lose respect to a poker player, simply because he did insult me. Even if he has no manners; why should he not be able to teach me good poker? If you wish to not support him with $$$ anymore and prefer another coach, who did not insult you, now that is what would be reasonable
Oh and always keep in mind... if an opponent tilts...that is good news for you!
Hi.
Judging by Mr Green's results, he's obviously a pretty talented poker player.
We can assume he has worked out how to exploit other players tendencies.
Your post said he hit a 3 outer on the turn, which would tend to be tilt inducing for a lot of players.
Playing against someone on tilt can be super profitable.
He would have recognised this opportunity and probably tried to push you over the edge, so he could crush you for $$.
He saw an edge to exploit you and he took it. Not sure why you would expect anything more from a guy who makes a living from taking other peoples' money playing a game on the internet?
You are effectively being exploited by posting about it here => it affected you enough emotionally to post about it on a public domain a few weeks after the match.
You can fix this mental leak easily => simply ignore the chat.
I've played mrgr33n13 before at the 200+ buy in level. His range is wide. I've been profitable a handful of times, but with a player that has a range as wide as he does, I suggest playing very conservatively. Gl to all. Ps. Don't mind his comments.
If this was a random player making the insults there would be no post about it. However, Coleman is now a poker 'celebrity' and generally, people expect celebrities to act with dignity. As Barrin said, he was likely trying to leverage his suckout coupled with insults to either tilt you or simply to make you mad enough to rematch.