Hi Guys,
I have a real problem at the moment, dealing with persistant limpers, people who are limping well over 50% of the time.
The same players seem to be very trappy and delay cbets when they hit top pair etc.
I just don't know how to deal with them! I find myself deviating from my standard strategy, also there is something about this style of play that tilts me bigtime!
any ideas?
Thanks.
N
Don't know, just blame Cog Dis for this...
You can watch his videos too.
Start raising vs their limps...
^ LOL !
Go forth and CRUSH !
Are they limping everything or just their trash?
Most players who limp a lot are weak passive fish.
Attack them until they give you a reason not to.
If they continue vs your aggression, you can start checking behind and donk many flops.
Not sure why limping strategies would be tilting?
Villain is willingly giving up initiative and letting you see a flop (realise equity with a lot of trash holdings for free) without having to pay for it.
If they're trapping with their stronger flopped hands it is awesome for you.
=> it means they will be playing smaller pots with their strong hands than you will be with yours
=> villain's weak passive play is not getting full value from his strong hands
=> over time there will be a differential of between the value you get from your hands vs the value he gets from his which translates into an edge as long as you're not spewing off vs his trappy play
Just make sure you're aware of your own image => if he's been limping and folding to 3x over and over and he suddenly defends one of your attacks
=> slow down, don't barrel your stack off => he's more likely to be trapping here
=> check it down and lol when you fold to his attempt at making up for lost value when he bets 0.75P on the river
Cdon, thanks for your detailed reply,
I attack their limps and do pick up a lot of dead equity (unsure if thats the correct term) but I find myself getting trapped to often for my liking!
Thinking about it I think I tilt with these players because I know they are loose passive fish and feel I have to win because they are mindless fish and I'm working hard on my game and striving to improve, I think Jared Tendler called it "entitlement tilt"
I will implement your suggestions straight away.
Thanks
N
fyi, just the fact that someone is limping a lot doesnt necessarily mean that he is a loose passive fish. A lot of good players are limping a lot too. Limping certain ranges against certain opps may be a very good play for different reasons. Even the fact that it tilts u and u get to spots where u dont know what to do makes the recreationals play better against u and it doesnt matter if its their plan or not. U are the one responsible for how u adjust to it and and how u play against particular limping range composition.
Good point !
Especially that "you" are responsible of how u adjust.
I found it tilting recently because I didn't have any information of where I was in a hand, and adjusted by calling his limps but keeping my opening as standard min raise. At least forcing him to play in bigger pots whilst I'm in position.
Go forth and CRUSH !
It depends what kind of limper that is.
If he's a loose-passive player limping lots of hands but still raising the top of his range, then just play ABC poker: raise only the strongest of your hands and analyze his postflop play.
Don't hurry up into the conclusion of him being a fish though. Although is doesn't have the highest immediate expectation, a limping strategy may be very powerful when employed by a capable player. If he seems to be playing very well and his only "weakness" is that he limps "too much", I suggest you quit playing him especially if you feel tilted. You are likely getting outplayed.
That's all the info you can get because you haven't said enough about his postflop play.
A good benchmark to keep in mind is the limping frequency at various effective stacks.
In hypers, most thinking players will not limp much 20-25BB deep because it sacrifices so much auto-profit expectation vs typical OOP defending ranges (+ OOP postflop tendencies in single raised pots).
Most will introduce a limping range 15-20BB deep if you have demonstrated a competent OOP defending range (flat or 3b).
If your opponent is limping a lot 20-25BB deep, there is a high probability that he is a fish.
Whether a villain is super aggro maniac or a super tight passive nit or anything in between they have exploitable tendencies.
You need to work out what they are and then employ a strategy which exploits them.
Say for example you implement a polarised attack limp to 3x range and villain is defending a wide range preflop in position.
Rather than attacking pre, you may decide to start contesting boards which hit your perceived check-behind-limp range if you notice villain is limping and stabbing with a high frequency.
A rough benchmark for "hitting" the flop is about 30-40%.
If you notice villain is limping 100% then stabbing 100%, he's going to have a lot of air in his range on a lot of boards.
You can exploit him by checking behind, then c/r boards which hit your perceived check-behind-limp range.
If you find yourself being trapped a lot, you probably overdid the aggression.
=> make sure you're always aware of your perceived image
=> your exploititative strategy you are employing vs villain is also by definition exploitative
=> make sure you understand how you would counter what you are doing and be observant when villain demonstrates sign of competence that he has correctly adjusted