Preflop decision.
1. Should I have a flatting range @ 12-15BB deep vs a min raise?
Or does an exploitative 3b jamming range have better expectation in your experience?
Villain was opening about 70% from the button > 12BB and I had seen him limp in 6-8BB region.
So far he has cbet every time (3/3) and barrelled the turn the one time the flop went c/c.
I think I need to be fighting back vs this type of player so I don't get run over by:
- expanding my 3b range for both value and add in some bluffs
- expanding my flop c/r bluffing range
Flop decision.
2. Do you think a donk or a NAI c/r is more effective on this board vs a wide opener?
(gameflow wise villain has not seen me donk)
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players
$14.69+$0.31
Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter
| SB | chpal | 395 | |
| BB | Hero | 605 |
Effective Stacks: 13bb
Blinds 15/30
Pre-Flop (45, 2 players)
Hero is BB
chpal raises to 60, Hero calls 30
Flop (120, 2 players)
Hero checks, chpal bets 60, Hero raises to 120, chpal calls 60
Turn (360, 2 players)
Hero checks, chpal goes all-in 215, Hero folds
Final Pot: 360
chpal wins 575 ( won +180 )
Hero lost -180
against a 70% opener 97o is a profitable jam also if you´re being called rather loosely. if villain doesn´t call significantly wider than 30%, your push is fine.
against a frequent opener i´d either push or fold that hand, depending on how wide i expect him to call.
as played i prefer the check raise to a donk. you´ll get floated a lot and you´ll also get called by every eight and 3x that can improve. you´ll also get called down lighter if you donk than if you check raise. i think check raising a GS is a good decision. it´s not good enough to call and a donk will often just leave you guessing about villain´s strength.
Yeah you should defs have a flatting range @ 12-15BB deep vs a min raise. I have a flatting range shallower than that.
On the flop i think donkbetting is good, you risk less chips than checkraising and you can even double barrel turn small if you get called, when your c/r flop you cant really barrel turn without commiting your stack as the pot will be more bloated. You can c/c and if turn is check check and he doesnt continue barreling he probably has air or a bluffcatcher so when u miss you can bluff river with a good % of times he folds. You can even c/c and lead blank turns, its hard for villian to play back this shallow with air.
The question was partly prompted having recently rewatched Mersenneary's BB end game video.
He suggested that @ <15BB, without strong reads, generally if we can profitably 3b jam a hand from the BB, it would be better than flatting because the 3BB we win when villain folds has such a high relative worth at that stage of the game and we will find it difficult to play OOP postflop with so little money left behind.
I would be very interested to hear your philosophy on designing 3b jamming and flatting ranges vs different opening + postflop frequencies at these depths.
Consider 12BB.
If we flat a min raise, we will have put 2BB each into the pot, seeing a flop with 4BB in the pot and 12-2 = 10.0 BB behind.
This gives us an SPR of 10 / 4 = 2.5
and we will only require 10 / (12*2) ~ 42 % equity to stack off on the flop.
Consider 15BB.
15-2 = 13.0 BB behind
SPR = 13 / 4 = 3.25
required equity to stack off on flop = 13 / (2*15) ~ 43%
At these depths, depending on villain's opening range and postflop frequencies (which yields an expected value:bluff ratio vs different lines on various board textures), we will basically be playing a 2 street implied value game?
But do we make enough on our marginal implied value after flatting that it is better than taking a profitable 3b jam?
Especially if we have a lot of fold equity preflop vs wide openers which we forgeo by flatting?