Vasilis is a Greek mid stakes hyper turbo regular on PokerStars. He reviews several interesting hands in his debut video, looking at both successful and unsuccessful hands. He talks not only about what went right and wrong, but also about his mistakes. Raise sizings, bet sizings, planning ahead, draws and value hands are all discussed.
1:07 - I dont understand this play. Which worse hands are calling us there? By doing this, we just run into better hands and fold all of his bluffs (which u said yourself, that you'd be surprised if he has a real hand there)
As i say in the video, i could also flat. The downside of that play is that occasional will river u, but u are gaining value from his bluffs. Flating maybe be marginal better but still people not fold much these days, u are getting value from 45, Qh, worse spades and the occasional random call as seen on video.
Well, I do not think you are getting value out of his Qx, but Qx is getting value out of you.
And you only mentioned hands that has some equity against us. Chance of him, having a FD is not that big, since u have 2 blockers for it. Lets say that he has 2 random cards and he hits on the river, does that mean, that u played your hand bad? He has around 12% equity on the turn, which is not much, and you wanna keep his range as wide as possible, but raising does exact opposite, you just narrow his range.
Btw, I've never ever seen a call like this.. And do you think that he shuts down on many rivers with such bullsh*t? Seems like he does not even care about board and he will prolly jam even on 44448 runout. And just because you got called there by a total bullsh*t hand, does not mean that it is good. I still dont like it. I actually like what you said on the flop, but you did not stick to the plan.
I agree with the gentleman above about the K10 hand. We are only getting called by better hands. I'd try to get some better material for these kind of videos in the long run. Having somebody call you with 82 in that situation is just unheard of. I just think the people that watch these videos would like content that they can somewhat relate to.
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Has definitely gone down. I don't mean to be too harsh Vas, props for being considered and doing a vid that's awesome and must feel validating as a player. But this is not something I would spend money on, and seeing it would make me wary to spend money on an existing video pack for fear it be of as little content as this.
I mean shoving KTs there is so terrible, and the "mistake" with 85s is not a mistake it is a train wreck of mistakes. The bottom line is I would never take advice/try to learn from someone who is doing these things.
I think the site should probably remove this video.
Hi Sentient,
Thanks for the feedback.
I don't want to give the wrong impression, but we don't want (or think) that one free seven minute video from one producer has nothing to do with 6 hour content from a different producer that is for sale. If this is something that others consider, then it might mean having to reconsider the free-paid two tier setup of this site. We don't really have anything to compare new free video producers to older free video producers (because we didn't have any free videos aside from previews 15+ months ago). If we're going to compare to older video producers, we'd have to compare to other paid content (Sentin's pack, zZz's pack, etc.). Previously, a small group of players, led by myself, would have to go through each prospective new video and review it hand by hand, giving feedback to the author. Often, a video with say 20 hands, might have 3-5 that weren't perfect, so we would give feedback to the producer. They would be happy with it, but between backlogs of prospective videos to watch and less reward for their efforts (sending in a sample, giving feedback, needing them to improve it, then having to rewatch and perhaps send it back again) we missed out on a lot of potential video producers that could've offered something to the community. But we only really had paid material back then, and with paid material you're expected to teach fully, and any mistakes are looked down upon rather than looked as a learning experience.
The goal of the free content is to both give a preview from video producers that do have paid content (such as say Coffeeyay, zZzTILT, phl500, Sentin), and to get insight into players that are winning at their levels (as we've seen with Pbogz, arronwilson and here with Vas).
I think it's fair to say that the KT hand should probably be a call down. Vas mentions this in the video, but he also defends his raise, and while he makes some points in favor of raising, I think we're all capable of saying "hey, I disagree because." And there is a lot of value in that. With the amount of free videos being released on this site, we can't afford (both in time and money) to make sure every hand is analyzed correctly. What we can do is make sure people speak their thoughts clearly, make videos everyone can hear, and make sure that players are winning players (meaning they are doing things to make money against opponents at their level). Of course for paid video packs, we're going to have multiple professional players watching and reviewing each video before it comes out, there are going to be multiple edits.
So for this video, Vas is a pretty successful mid stakes hyper player, and we want to give him a shot at reviewing some of his hands, and getting thoughts from the community (and a two way discussion). I think he'll take feedback from you and Paul about the KT hand, about maybe looking more carefully at showing some more common hands (rather than the 82 call, which yes, is uncommon given it's 8 high), and his second video will be much stronger for that.
But the aim of the site's free videos, is to learn. Whether it's a lights out player analyzing every hand perfectly, or more realistically, a winning player giving their own thoughts, where mistakes sometimes happen, and sometimes we can all learn from those mistakes in the comments area, I think we're getting value in both cases.
Back to Vas, here's his graph (hypers lifetime) first off.
Now, this doesn't make him good or bad at teaching, but it does mean he's beating the mid stakes games fairly consistently. I think he conveyed his thoughts fairly well in the video (he wasn't doing play by play announcing or rarely talking, two common mistakes for first videos), and some less than best decisions are pointed out, given reason in the comments, and all watching the video and reading the comments are better for it.
I enjoy mate your video and in the most cases i would take the same line..The opposite view of mine on some hands doesnt make your play bad and mine good its just an opinion about every hand..I deffenitely want to see 2nd video like ryan said (that it will be gone stronger) and analyze some hands more in depth..Good job Vas!
Whether he played the hand correctly or incorrectly here is irrelivent.
After reading some responses here i think its important to realize you cant judge the overall skill of a player based on one poorly played hand, or even one poorly played session. Ryan has shown this player is clearly a winner, which means he does MANY things that allow him to beat the games.
All poker is is a combination of +EV decisions and -EV ones. Every player makes both. Winning players just make more +EV decisions than -EV ones and the difference in the two is your winrate.
If you see a winning player misplay a hand, and know he misplayed a hand, you are an intelligent enough individual to know you do not have to incorporate that into your gameplan. Rather, you should pay attention to the other spots, the ones you "dont" know if they were right or wrong, and try adding those to your arsenal.
No player plays perfect, and if you think you do, u will certainly regress as a poker player quickly as the game passes you by.
I think that some of the comments on here were a little harsh, but MattRaq, I agree with you on the point that all poker players make mistakes.. but as we both know a lot of time goes into making these videos. To allow yourself to pick a topic where you misplay hands with the intent of teaching others does sound off some alarms. Lets keep the peace in these forums guys, but I do think the material could have been a bit different.
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Thank you for the very detailed reply Ryan. I was out of line just flat out saying the video should be taken down, and for that I want to apologize to you and Vas. As you probably know, I am a big fan of this site and I have spent a lot of money on the content you offer on it.
However, there are plenty of solid mid stakes regs that are active in the HUSNG community that I'm sure would be interested in making videos (Hungry Hungarian, Bluenowhere, Yay) just as an example. Maybe video producers, including Vas, should be encouraged to review matches/hands vs regs, or if the video is going to be vs fish, have the entire video be hands/matches vs 1 opponent so we get some insight as to how the producer is making desicions and adjusting to maximally exploit a weaker player.
Cheers.
That's fair enough and no harm taken. I think your comment did help make everyone think more and we had a good discussion as a result.
As for those players, I've been so busy it can be difficult to reach everyone, but we're certainly interested in even more instructors. Our 5 year anniversary is coming up and even not thinking about that, I'd love to have new content up on this site every day (it gets busy sometimes developing new things that it's hard to keep up with every instructor to plan and get a new video up daily).
But we're definitely here and open for new guys, current guys and old instructors at all times. I just want to keep putting out as much as I can for the community, I think we've built up a great collection of free videos to compliment the premium offerings.
Good job with the video!
In the future id like to also see some deeper math based analysis and some what-if thinking , but the video is very good considering its your first.
I also belive that its important to discuss many ways of playing certain hands and its good that your production made people think and talk ;)
Cheers
Like it, refreshing thinking. ( After a horrible grind at the micro stakes Im happy to see some creative work )
Gives me hope LOLz !
Thanks.
Go forth and CRUSH !
Hey everybody. Thanks for commenting on my video. Second one will be improved and hope u like it all.