Line check please.
Villain min 3b and plays passively in 3b pot.
I value bet my rivered 2 pair and he reraises quite big.
There are 3 cards to a straight out but it is unlikely he would have min 3b 76 or A2 pre.
I think his range is mostly strangely played overpairs here so I call, expecting to be good most of the time.
Pretty surprised by what he turned up with.
Would like someone to check the:
- preflop call of min 3b
- postflop play
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players
$14.39+$0.61
Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter
| SB | Hero | 1500 | |
| BB | ivtttt | 1500 |
Effective Stacks: 75bb
Blinds 10/20
Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)
Hero is SB
Hero raises to 40, ivtttt raises to 60, Hero calls 20
Flop (120, 2 players)
ivtttt checks, Hero checks
Turn (120, 2 players)
ivtttt checks, Hero bets 60, ivtttt calls 60
River (240, 2 players)
ivtttt checks, Hero bets 150, ivtttt raises to 680, Hero calls 530
Final Pot: 1600
Hero shows
ivtttt shows a straight, Ace to Five
ivtttt wins 1600 ( won +800 )
Hero lost -800
preflop call is fine if you are able to hero fold top pair vs pressure, otherwise you have a real RIO-hand here. a min raise usually indicates great strength or a misclick or moronism.
i´d stab the flop (assuming a misclick or moronism). you have close to no equity, the jack falls decently in your range. i wouldn´t mind taking it down against a hand like 98s right now.
once he raises you, his range looks sth like a straight, a rivered set, maybe even two pair or an overpair. it´s really hard to fold two pair for you though. also a river check raise usually is a fish trying to be tricky with the nuts. it really looks like a fold, although i don´t think i could lay it down either.
Yer, I found it really hard to see how he could get to the river with a set or better and I thought a fish could play AA or KK this way which I was ahead of.
I mean, is 44 really going to min 3b pre?
Can I put A2 is his preflop 3b range? (LOL, but that's what he turned up with)
Or 76s? => Surely a hand which benefits from FE would 3b bigger & cbet in the 3b pot with the betting initative?
Psychological headspin when he shows down his hand :(
I thought it was a pretty close spot.
The value range he reps is so thin and its hard to see how very strong hands on this board would be part of his river range given the preflop action.
You kinda have to decide here whether villain is even capable of a river reraise this big with a non-strong value hand => I guess if you can find a fold here it would be on the basis that most players aren't. But I really hate folding just because his line looks strong without having a guage of a tangible (given the action) range which I'm behind.
I'm not sure about betting the flop when checked to here?
Players that min 3b, are also the type of players that will check to you very strong in 3b pots.
I think we just donate value to those hands by betting.
Whereas when he checks the turn also we have position and a second street to bluff him so can narrow his range to one with better expectation to bluff against.
Our whole preflop call & subsequent plan for the hand was made on the premise that we should yield good implied value the times we bink very strong vs a presumably strong min 3b range and that we should be able to outplay villain postflop with the advantage of position.
In this case I actually bink the turn and when he checks to me I suspect I am ahead of his range and can bet for value from unpaired Ax and lower PP hands which 3b pre.
Pretty interesting river spot, largely driven by villain's strange decision to min 3b A2s pre.
I guess what goes around comes around (check out this hand, got some nice river action in a fat pot when my turn semi-bluff binked):
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players
$14.39+$0.61
Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter
SB
gbm_02
1070
BB
Hero
1930
Effective Stacks: 27bb
Blinds 20/40
Pre-Flop (60, 2 players)
Hero is BB
gbm_02 raises to 120, Hero calls 80
Flop (240, 2 players)
Hero checks, gbm_02 checks
Turn (240, 2 players)
Hero bets 120, gbm_02 calls 120
River (480, 2 players)
Hero bets 280, gbm_02 goes all-in 830, Hero calls 550
Final Pot: 2140
gbm_02 shows three of a kind, Deuces
Hero shows a flush, King high
Hero wins 2140 ( won +1070 )
gbm_02 lost -1070
Hi there cdon3822,
When playing a weak opponent, a rag-ace is exactly my read when facing a min-3bet preflop.
River is a difficult decision. The pot is double overbet, but there are no flushes out there, and the only straights are A2, 2-6 and 6-7. Looking at it in a HH review, it's probably a fold, but a close one. In the heat of the moment, however, I suspect I'd call every time, LOL. We can beat KK and AA and almost all other 2-pair type hands.
Interesting that you say rag Ax is common for min 3b.
I guess I never thought that could make sense because you'd think with such holdings you'd prefer to flat & get more implied value in a single raised pot vs a likely cbet + possible barrels when you hit a disguised top pair.
I guess the min 3b is to cheaply leverage the blocker to a 4b range?
Under what conditions would min 3b A2s be good?
(Other than when you river a straight vs a confused cdon's 2 pair lol)
"I guess the min 3b is to cheaply leverage the blocker to a 4b range?
Under what conditions would min 3b A2s be good?"
Most weak opponents will not consider the min 3-bet in any depth, they just see an ace and think "raise!" without thinking of the amount, situation, etc. There are no situations that I can think of where this would be a good play. You are offering your opponent irresistable odds in position to see a flop, with a hand that flops really badly. In fact, I tend to think that the minimum 3-bet at large stack depths is alone a good indication of a weak player. At high blinds, clearly it could be a good play with large pocket pairs.
Definitely a gross spot! When he check-raises this big, though, it's really hard for him to have bluffs unless he's clicking random buttons (which I suppose is a possibility). When he calls turn, I doubt he has an overpair. It looks like you've hit a piece and he'd want to extract value. So the only real draw he can have that bricks river is 9T (46 rivers a pair and I doubt KT checks flop). I doubt a fish like this is ever turning one pair into a bluff, so his value hands are 2 pair, sets, straights. All of these are kind of credible - he can check back a set for deception (he can also click back small pairs pre). He can check a 5 or 3 and pick up two pair. Straights are hard to have, but gutshots are definitely in his check-back flop range.
So, we lose to straights, we lose to sets, we beat most 2 pair and random bluffs. Therefore it's pretty close, but if I feel I have a big edge I probably let it go whilst crying and continue to wear him down in small pots.