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Tightfish's picture
HTHU 3.5s - Two hands to discuss

1.

One hand before agro villain lost PF all in.

SB: 80/80, cbet:100

http://www.handconverter.com/hands/2485783

2.

BB: VPIP 67, c/r:17, .... 12 hands

OK play?

http://www.handconverter.com/hands/2485784

 

Thanks

 

AGT89's picture
Fisrt hand I would fold. Even

Fisrt hand I would fold. Even if villain is steaming it's hard to make a bluff like this, I think he has more made hands trying to "finish" you quickly and also some combo draws that he wants to gamble. I haven't done the math but I think against that range you can't consider a call.

Second hand you have to call, I know it hurts when he has Jx, but he also has flush draws, straight draws and 6x or even 5x on his range, so against that you have the right odds to call.

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Tightfish's picture
" I know it hurts when he has

" I know it hurts when he has Jx"

Yeah, it hurts, he had Jx :(

Thanks for your opinion

Dipl.Komp.'s picture
Fisrt hand I would fold. Even

Fisrt hand I would fold. Even if villain is steaming it's hard to make a bluff like this,

 

 

at the 3.5$ level i´d call such a bet a lot of the times. players at that level usually don´t think about if they can pull off a bluff like that. they assume you don´t have an Ace, because you didn´t 3bet, and push. from my experience, such huge overbetshoves often are just tilt and despair to get you off the hand. i wouldn´t be surprised to see him show up with 74o. at higher levels, i´d completely agree, but at 3.5$, i think in such cases, you often can consider a call and expect to be good.

 

 

second hand i agree. for 11BB, you have to get it in here. villain´s shoving range should be wide enough to make it profitable.

 

 

adam25185's picture
Hi there tightfish First

Hi there tightfish

First hand: I'd probably fold. The reasoning I would use is that, if opponent cbet only 35 chips into a pot of 80 on the flop, it would seem that he had some sort of hand or draw. If he was on a pure bluff, he would probably not underbet like that. So, in order to call, we would have to conclude that he was inexplicably turning a hand with showdown value into a bluff, which just isn't how people tend to play. On the other hand, if he has a draw, it cannot have improved on the turn (6h). So again, he would have to have changed his mind about how to play the hand. None of this is impossible, but I think it's more likely the shove is for value, either with Ax or a turned 2-pair

Second hand: I don't think we can fold. There is only one overcard to our TT and we are getting 1.4 to 1 on a call for all in. Villain can take this line with any decent draw and probably 5x and 6x as well. Additionally, we have under repped our hand by cbetting only 1/3 pot.

Hope this helps.

 

Tightfish's picture
First hand I did call,

First hand I did call, villain showed weak Ax. I really expected he is bluffing, just because one hand before he lost big pot. But yeah, he would probably bet more on flop with his bluff.