Seat 1: jcackerm (490 in chips) Seat 2: Veasel123 (510 in chips) Veasel123: posts small blind 10 jcackerm: posts big blind 20 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Veasel123 [Qd 5d] Veasel123: raises 20 to 40 jcackerm: calls 20 *** FLOP *** [8s 2c 4c] jcackerm: checks Veasel123: bets 40 jcackerm: calls 40 *** TURN *** [8s 2c 4c] [5h] jcackerm: checks Veasel123: bets 80 jcackerm: raises 128 to 208 Veasel123: calls 128 *** RIVER *** [8s 2c 4c 5h] [7c] jcackerm: bets 202 and is all-in Veasel123: folds Uncalled bet (202) returned to jcackerm jcackerm collected 576 from pot
How should I have played this hand better? I'm not pleased with the play at all.
its close between checking the turn and doing what you did. Population tendencies let us know that a c/r on the turn is a really strong line. With the line we took, I prefer a hero fold on the turn. Check back turn and reevaluate river is also a good line. Potentially turn our hand into a bluff catcher.
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Hi there Lawboyy
One possibility is to underbet the turn, say 40 chips. You are then in a position to fold to a large c/r, or call a small c/r, with the intention of trying to see a cheap showdown.
I'd be interested to hear whether anyone thinks this play has merit? It's a play I hear recommended quite often, but I'm unsure whether it's the best line?
Calling turn and then folding river the way stacks are here is pretty lolbad imo.
In this spot I would bet fold turn and for most river cards:
- if bet into on river => fold
- if checked to on river => check back
I expect villain's flop c/c range to be comprised of mostly:
4x, 2x, draws (including some overcards)
The turn completes some of the straight draws, but I expect villain's range at the start of the turn to still be mostly bluff catchers & draws.
I am happy bet folding the turn because:
1. We are ahead of most of villain's range so there is value in betting and folding out his cumulative overcard & weak draw equity is quite valuable in this spot (protection benefit)
2. Without reads that villain is a very good player I don't expect villain to make me fold the best hand here:
a. I don't expect a villain who will c/c draws on flop to start c/r them on the turn unimproved
b. I don't expect most villains to be capable of turning weak showdown value like like 2x into a bluff in this spot to exploit my perception of the population's turn c/r range nuttiness
c. Likewise, I don't expect the population to be floating the flop a whole lot here, to get to the turn with more hands with which to balance their turn c/r range