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badboyboogie0's picture
Croix 8 - top pair on monochrome board

hi croix, i have a question about game 1, when you flop the flush. you say against bad players you like to play this fast. there's a monochrome board 27Q. your opponent cbets, you reraise, and he shoves with top pair (Q9). referring to the bad opponents you say that a lot of them would shove with a pair of queen. is it generally a bad play to push with top pair on a monochrome board? isn't there value in the fact that many times you're ahead against a flush draw (plus fold equity, even if small on this kind of board)? i guess the problem with pushing top pair, is that even if most of the times you're about 55-60% ahead, when you're against a flush you're basically drawing dead.  

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I'll chime in with a quick

I'll chime in with a quick bit about these types of hands...
 
Say I have top pair, no flush draw, especially a weak top pair, say Q8 on a Q74 type board, 3 suits.  I get check raised 2-3x my continuation bet.  Often times it is going to be better to just see a turn card if it's an affordable raise:
The main reason I say this is because our equity on the turn is either going to improve drastically against their range or get a lot worse.
Hands that we like to face on the flop (flush draws, combo draws, 88-JJ type hands, 56, other straight draws) are going to be so much worse against our range on the turn or are going to be a lot better.
When a flush card comes on the turn, you can still get away from your hand against what is often times certainly a flush you're up against.  And when the flush card misses, you can get it in with much better equity against your opponent.
Now, what I just said was very general and does not always apply, but I find that just automatically pushing those top pairs on these types of boards can actually be somewhat of a decent leak.  Sometimes I cbet in these spots with a decent top pair and I get raised 4x or higher.  In those spots, I often just shove.  You take the good with the bad, not every spot is going to be ideal or the best, but you just have to think of the best decision in each situation.  If they are making a small raise, keep their bluffs in the hand and see a "safe" or "devastating" turn.  In the end, it'll probably make you some more money or save you some more money, depending on the card.

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yes, what you suggest is

yes, what you suggest is good. in the video croix reraises 3.5x. wich are 200 chips more for villain to call, or 14.7% of his stack. before he calls pot is already 32.3% of his stack. since chance of seeing another club on the turn are only about 19%, i think it's worth to pay even a big reraise to see if your hand drastically decrease or more likely drastically increase in value on the turn, and be able to play it accordingly..
the only problem then, is when no club hits, but villain donk-shoves anyway. ...since pot is very big, i think you can see many draws that shove, wich takes away some of the advantage of the call on the flop. but i guess in this case you just have to call the shove...