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hand with vulnerable bluffcatcher vs aggro player

Hey guys, here’s a pretty interesting hand I played recently with a vulnerable bluffcatcher I’d like to get you guy’s thoughts on.  

I have the hand saved on boomplayer which is better than reading text - http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/1550771_50255BB850.  Effective stack sizes are just under 30bbs and I minraise 5 10 hearts on the button vs a pretty loose player.  Flop is 5 8 8 and I get checkraised to 2.4x.

My reads on the player is he can bluff these types of paired boards so I think folding is the worst of the 3 options unless he was a nit.  If I am ahead and he is bluffing like I think he is on this board from my notes I want to keep his bluffs in the hand.  If I am crushed which is possible I can potentially lose the min by just flatting and possibly folding on a later street.  I have played other hands vs viliian in which he has slowplayed big hands so my read on the flop is that I am ahead.  

Turn is 10 and goes bet call which I think is pretty standard.  

River is an overcard and he tank shoves.  My gut instinct was that I was rivered but because of the way I played my hand I felt that I had to call based on past experience and the fact that he has 3 barreled me before when I used the way ahead way behind concept with top pair.  

I’m interested on you guy’s thoughts, with a vulnerable bluffcatcher on the flop is anyone re-raising for information and taking down equity as the board can’t really get better for my hand and the board is gona get worse and potentially put me in a difficult decision like I faced on the river if he shoves or are you guys just using the way ahead way behind concept with the read that he is capable of bluffing on paired boards and check calling to the river then making a decision when he shoves based on the runout.   I think both strategy’s have their advantages and disadvantages, reraising for information with a vulnberable bluffcatcher is a way I can never get stacked and pick up some equity safer, but at the same time I fold out his bluffs if he is too 3 barrel air all 3 streets which I know he is capable of.  

Another point to note here is that I have had a 8 here I would of stacked him using the way ahead way behind concept as he still shoved the river with potential trips on board which I would of played exactly the same way.  Without being results orientated which strategy do you think is +ev here with a vulnerable bluffcatcher vs a player capable of bluffing here and is going to the majority of the time put us in a tough spot on the river.

ka5321's picture
effective stacks:1403  

effective stacks:1403   blinds:25/50  28.06BB
u minraise villain calls: standard play

Pot on flop:200=4BB
Remaining effective stacks:1328=26.56

Flop:8(d)8(h)5(s)
u bet 100,  villain CR u to 244=4.88BB
pot size: 100+200+244=544=10.88 BB
remaining stacks:1228=24.56BB
24.56/10.88=2.25PSB left, which is basically a jam scenario if villain CR,barrell,barrell on next 2 streets.....

Folding is out of question...... its basically whats the more +EV line between Bet/3-betting, and bet/calling.... 
i personally hate ur justification for flatting flop... Since ur 5X is only slightly ahead of any of villains Bluffing range, if in fact villain is indeed bluffing u with 2-overcard....
6-A are all overcards to ur 5X, which is 32 cards left in deck that you dont want to see on turn.... since ur stacks are shallow, there is no value in calling to bluffcatch villain in this spot......

 516,780  games     0.038 secs    13,599,473  games/sec

Board: 5s 8d 8h
Dead:  

equity  win  tie        pots won  pots tied
Hand 0:  58.989%   58.10%  00.89%          300268       4576.00   { Th5h }
Hand 1:  41.011%   40.13%  00.89%          207360       4576.00   { A5s+, K6s+, Q6s+, J5s+, T5s+, 96s+, 82s+, 76s, A5o+, K6o+, Q6o+, J6o+, T6o+, 96o+, 82o+, 76o }

ur equity vs 51% of total hand range is only 59% vs 41%, where i excluded all value hand ranges of 8X, and 66+ in villains flop CR % hand range, so ur 5X hand range is clearly vulnerable in these tricky spots....

I advise either on a bet/3-bet/call    if villain jams or,,,,, bet/3-bet/fold as ur more viable line of action.......

justification for Bet/3-bet/call to a jam:
1) pot size: 100+200+244=544=10.88 BB
remaining stacks:1228=24.56BB

i could 3-bet villains CR, since his CR% is high and has alot of air. i could raise to 600 with the intention of capitalizing on dead money:600+544=1144=600/1144=my equity has to be higher than 52% for this play to be +EV, which i have justified above with pokerstove....
pot size: 1144
remaining stacks:728
and  if villain jams: 728 more= my odds for calling
728+728+1144=2600=728/2600=im getting 3.6 to 1 on a call, thus making any call in this situation +EV in favor of us, since villain has air in his hand range....

Bet/3-bet/fold=
is if u size ur 3-bet small, where ur turning ur 5X made hand into a bluff, for sole purpose of stealing the pot: if villain jams, u can still have around enough 20-24BB left and fold comfortably...

ARRONWILSON's picture
Thanks for the reply and the

Thanks for the reply and the effort u made.  This was a tricky spot which is why i put it up.  
The whole reason i asked the question is it better to 3bet or flat is because of the reasons u just mentioned. The board is gona get worse for my hand and theres a chance he may hit one of his overs.  Personally i hate turning my hand into a bluff but for this situation it may save me a headache when villian bets turn and shoves river.  
If i am to 3bet for information, im only gona be folding out his bluffs and i dont need to raise to 600, 325 accomplishes the same information and saves me chips if he 4bet shoves me.  
I went over this hand with my coach.  He said he would of played it the same way but folded river as i had to be right over 50% of time to make the call which he believed i wasnt based on ranges.  

ka5321's picture
i personally want to 3-bet

i personally want to 3-bet bigger due to stack size considerations...
if say i was to 3-bet 325, i open up the window for villain to re-bluff me, and 4-bet ship with  a wide range of hands EX:FD+SD draws, and im giving villain great odds to float me IP... by 3-betting to 600, i put villain in awful spot, where it's so hard for him to 4-bet bluff jam on me, unless he  had the nuts........
maybe im too LAG, but calling to me seems too passive, since villains dictating the flow of the match