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constarr's picture
Lock Poker $2 Super Turbo HU SnG Call or Fold situation

$50/$100 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBmjteiber$1450.00  BTNHero$1400.00  Effective Stacks: 14bb Pre-Flop ($150.00, 2 players) Hero is BTN Hero calls $50.00, mjteiber checks   Flop ($200.00, 2 players) mjteiber checks, Hero checks   Turn ($3000.00, 2 players) mjteiber goes all-in $1450.00, Hero goes all-in $1350.00   River ($3000.00, 2 players, 2 all-in)   Final Pot: $3000.00Villan playing a SBVPIP 71 BBVPIP 67 and raising 59% from sb and calling steal from BB 73% of the time. I limp because he's calling all my raises anyways so since I have a pretty marginal hand I opt to limp. I dont remember exactly but i'm guessing I did not cbet because he was most likely calling those light as well and my high card isn't too great so I'd prefer to get to showdown cheaply with it and maybe catch something. He was known to shove all in light as well, kept doing this little animation to shove all in and I had seen him bluff it in a previous match. I raised pre and cbet and he min raised, I min raised back to get him to shove and he did with K2s on a 4TTtt board where his suit wasn't on it. He just seemed to be shoving a lot in general. After writing all this out it seems more like a clear fold because even if he had a jack it could be way better. and J8, J7, J2 arent out of the question because I let him in for free. I didn't have min pegged as the slowplayer type either so it must be JX, All I have is a pretty weak kicker and a gutshot, though I don't think he would have a better J if he limped, I think he would have raised JT+What do the guys who know what they are talking about think? :P Thanks!  

dinamozg's picture
i think it's a clear call

i think it's a clear call given things that you said that he shoves pretty often and that he would likely raise JT+. So he can shove four weaker J, fd, sd, maybe even some 8x hands

RyPac13's picture
I think you're overthinking

I think you're overthinking this a bit too much and it is a clear call.AJ, KJ, even QJ and JT often raise when you limp preflop.  Two pairs hands can be there, as can a straight, but plenty of flush draws that you do very well against or even bluffs are possible here.  You don't even need to see that he's over bet shoved before with a bluff to make this call, if he's just bluffy in general that should be plenty of information to make a call a good expectation.I would call most of the time in this situation, only against a player that plays super aggressively and paranoid with very strong hands, but very passively with weaker hands (and I'd have to have a good idea that this was the case) would a fold likely be correct.But with the following reads you posted I do not even think twice and call: " He was known to shove all in light as well, kept doing this little animation to shove all in and I had seen him bluff it in a previous match. I raised pre and cbet and he min raised, I min raised back to get him to shove and he did with K2s on a 4TTtt board where his suit wasn't on it. He just seemed to be shoving a lot in general. "

lolsteamroller's picture
Well, given your reads, it's

Well, given your reads, it's pretty easy call. I think his range will be consisted from draws, and no hands that actually crush you.Few questions though -Does he plays his value hands like this? Most people will not overshove a pot here without some kind of equity, so your logic makes sense. But most of them will not not choose a shoving as a option, if he has a 2P/Set. Do you had any reads, that he's openshoving value hands as well, playing his good hands fast?Did he took this line before already?

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