I´m sorry, maybe somebody can tell me how to convert a hand for this forum?! I will convert the next hand, I swear! sscope: 82games av 407$ roi 1% -3khe had 3bet my first buttonminraise to 180 (I folded 57s), 2nd button I folded. He minraised his buttons except one that he limp called and gave up on the flop. This is hand no. 6:Seat 1: hero (1,485)Seat 2: cicibaris (1,515)hero posts the small blind of 15cicibaris posts the big blind of 30The button is in seat #1*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to hero [9s Kh]hero raises to 60cicibaris raises to 90hero calls 30*** FLOP *** [7c 9c 6d]cicibaris bets 180hero raises to 485cicibaris calls 305*** TURN *** [7c 9c 6d] [8d]cicibaris bets 940, and is all inpre flop is standard I think. I dont think he has a premium holding there, cause it was his 2nd 3bet to my 2nd minraise, so he could have made it bigger without worrying about getting too much credit for it.On the flop I decide to raise big, cause I think I have the best hand there, but it is vulnerable on that flop.Turn seems to be an ugly card...
I think the correct play is actually just to jam this flop, especially against a random. I really don't think you get called much less frequently by worse hands than you would by the raise that you made. Additionally, even with a hand like QT, he's quite correct to call your raise. It's big and then it's not, asking for only 31% equity to continue in the hand (QT has like 37%). Given that randoms will often call jams with those types of hands it generally does better just to get it in.I'm not loving our life btw, he's going to have a lot of overpairs/sets/two pair/A9, but we still have the best hand more often than not and will get value more often than not with a raise, as you thought as well.As played on the turn, there's just an extremely low amount of pure air in his range, which makes it an easy fold.
jamming the flop is convicing, ty!but as played i really thought about his all in bet on the turn. i mean, if he turned a straight there, wouldnt he check it to me? i showed so much aggression on the flop and even if I check behind he could still jam the river... that´s what i thought when timebanking, but I tend to be a station sometimes.. ^^
Preflop we can't rly do anything but call.otf I think there's def value in raising. People who min3bet and then pot the flop at the start of the match usually keep taking this line later in the match, at least in my experience, and thus have a fairly wide range here. I would raise an amount that would allow us to jam safe turns if he calls and checks, pretty much anything 8/5/T I think. I expect an occasional airballz here from villian along with some pairs when he comes over the top, so we should be fine against a 3bet and I call it off quite happily.I think I call this turn. Would probably sigh and fold if it was a T or a 5 completing the open ended draw. I can def see some misplayed 8x here, along with some better hands of course. I mean we prob have less than 40% equity here if I had to guess, but it's still a call
Interesting, Yoni.Everytime he has 5x/Tx, we have 0% equity. I expect that to be a big chunk of his range here. Given all that 0%, we have to be ahead basically just as often to balance it out and get us to the 30% we need, especially considering we don't have it against two pair/sets that play it weirdly as well. I just don't expect him to have a bizarrely played hand with one pair or one of the few flush draw combos without one as often as Tx/5x here. He just has little to no hands in his range which don't have at least a pair which is a big problem considering how few people turn made hands into bluffs here.
Yea, I do think we're ahead here more than 30% of the time because of how likely it is that overpairs/2pair/sets just get it in on the flop, but the fact that villian is never drawing dead here, and we do quite often, does make it a fold.
Once he jams turn I think the vast majority of hands we were ahead of on the flop and still ahead of once the turn hits are no longer in his range very often.
Yeah, it is a weird line for a straight, too, but you'll see Tx/5x do this a lot especially with the flush draw out there or just him worried about you checking behind and him not being able to get value.The big problem is that he just doesn't have enough air here. You have to believe he's doing this with a made-hand-into-a-bluff type situation a lot of the time, because he basically never has no pair.
calling ranges preflop 50 to 40bb deep vs a minraise (from unknown) are sth. personal i think, they depend on how good you are postflop. but how much should you deviate from your calling range vs. mr if you face sb. who 3xes his buttons? i think i tend to tighten up a bit too much vs. 3x raises, but i am not sure.any thoughts about that?!
You definitely should call tighter, hands like 96o, Q6o, J7o, 63s etc are hands that should be calling a 60% minraiser imo but not a 60% 3xer. It's not super extreme though, maybe 10% difference if I had to guess.
Regarding that K9 hand, what's your calling range ott ?Considering that we don't have any overpairs in our range since we'd 4-bet TT+, that'd be two pairs and sets. Would we still just jam the flop with these hands or maybe raise to something around 600 with a set ?As played, I think I'd flat this turn with any set and 97 - but maybe fold all weaker two pairs, or is that too tight ?
running really hot since joining this program. read a lot of the articles here and tried to improve my game. calling potsize 3bets lighter than before is a great example and as you can see, it works.. (sometimes :D ) ;)but still soooo many things to improve... i really get into trouble against players who defend 95% vs. my minraises and don´t fold to cbets.. hope i can find a good example handhistory soon and post some hands here.i think about moving up to the 110$ level, but i wanna be prepared as good as possible. i know 1690 AD will probably sit me and test me out. never played him, but it would be great to have an idea how to approach him from the first game on. so any reads on him maybe?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$55 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBdrallbo1520 SBHero1480 Effective Stacks: 37bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to 80, drallbo raises to 240, Hero calls 160 Flop (480, 2 players) drallbo bets 340, Hero calls 340 Turn (1160, 2 players) drallbo goes all-in 940, Hero goes all-in 900 River (3000, 2 players, 2 all-in)Final Pot: 3000drallbo shows a pair of Nines Hero shows three of a kind, Nines Hero wins 2960 ( won +1480 ) drallbo lost -1480
I think this pre call is very borderline once you get this short to a potsized 3bet - I would fold T8o here, actually."but still soooo many things to improve... i really get into trouble against players who defend 95% vs. my minraises and don´t fold to cbets.. hope i can find a good example handhistory soon and post some hands here."Tighten up your opening range and go to valuetown!"i think about moving up to the 110$ level, but i wanna be prepared as good as possible. i know 1690 AD will probably sit me and test me out. never played him, but it would be great to have an idea how to approach him from the first game on. so any reads on him maybe?"1690's a good buddy of mine so I'm not going to sell him out with specific advice. I definitely would recommend not getting upset in chat when he sits you, that tilts him :) Definitely post some hands though and we'll talk about them.
Yeah no problem, I obv don't mind helping you out with hands against him, go kick his ass imo :) Just think initial reads/tells would be out of line on my part.
ok, it took 10 seconds till he sat me... :D think he is pretty good. probably i will send the hh to you for the review.15th hand of the match, my 3rd 3bet pre, he foldet to the first and second one. so as he calls pre, i don´t think he has good aces cause he would have 4bet them against me with the image i had. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$110 + $5 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero1410 SB1690 AD1590 Effective Stacks: 35bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players)Hero is BB1690 AD raises to 80, Hero raises to 200, 1690 AD calls 120 Flop (400, 2 players) Hero bets 235, 1690 AD calls 235 Turn (870, 2 players) Hero checks, 1690 AD bets 165, Hero calls 165 River (1200, 2 players) Hero checks, 1690 AD goes all-in 990
I would definitely c-bet less on this flop. It's pretty weird to c-bet more than half pot on a board like this in general, but all you want to accomplish is have him fold out his equity and take advantage of the fact that the board hits your range so far. I think 235 actually looks weaker/weirder than 175 on this board!As played, he's obviously just trying to rep 7x, and he's doing it well. I usually would fold, but he's pretty balanced here. The biggest point is less on flop with everying in your range, here.
Meh. I check turn with 100% of my Ax here, there's not a lot to get value out of with a turn bet and we can balance our turn checking range by checking. Given few draws on the flop I doubt he expects 99-KK and KQ/KJ to hero very much which will decrease his inclination to valuejam Ax. I think it's 7x or a float the vast majority of the time.
1)played a guy who opened 80% of his buttons, so i started 3betting him a bit (23%) , which he answered with 4bet jamming a lot (4/10).. 35-40bb deep, what range would you call his 4bet jams? 2)played a fish: No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$110 + $5 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBphilotheos1150 BBHero1850 Effective Stacks: 29bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players)Hero is BBphilotheos raises to 80, Hero calls 40 Flop (160, 2 players) Hero checks, philotheos checks Turn (160, 2 players) Hero bets 75, philotheos calls 75 River (310, 2 players) Hero bets 160, philotheos raises to 320, Hero goes all-in 1695, philotheos goes all-in 675 Final Pot: 3000philotheos shows Hero shows three of a kind, Tens Hero wins 3000 ( won +1150 ) philotheos lost -1150 after that hand: No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players $110 + $5 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBphilotheos1575 SBHero1425 Effective Stacks: 48bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to 60, philotheos calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) philotheos bets 60, Hero raises to 150, philotheos calls 90 Turn (420, 2 players) philotheos bets 180, Hero calls 180 River (780, 2 players) philotheos bets 585 i would always call in that spot but given that hand before, can this become a jam on the river? don´t think so, but not 100% sure.. btw, don´t like my raisesize on the flop. and not sure about my turnplay, not sure about anything.. :(
"1)played a guy who opened 80% of his buttons, so i started 3betting him a bit (23%) , which he answered with 4bet jamming a lot (4/10).. 35-40bb deep, what range would you call his 4bet jams?"Against this opponent pretty much anything I'm 3betting for value, I'm calling off a shove, especially at this stack depth. That means AT+, KQ, 88+, KJs etc.
I think more on the turn with the QT is definitely best, but no need if he's going to spew off his stack on the river :)I would jam river as played, yes, given prior reads. You're right that it's usually a call.
I´m sorry, maybe somebody can tell me how to convert a hand for this forum?! I will convert the next hand, I swear! sscope: 82games av 407$ roi 1% -3khe had 3bet my first buttonminraise to 180 (I folded 57s), 2nd button I folded. He minraised his buttons except one that he limp called and gave up on the flop. This is hand no. 6:Seat 1: hero (1,485)Seat 2: cicibaris (1,515)hero posts the small blind of 15cicibaris posts the big blind of 30The button is in seat #1*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to hero [9s Kh]hero raises to 60cicibaris raises to 90hero calls 30*** FLOP *** [7c 9c 6d]cicibaris bets 180hero raises to 485cicibaris calls 305*** TURN *** [7c 9c 6d] [8d]cicibaris bets 940, and is all inpre flop is standard I think. I dont think he has a premium holding there, cause it was his 2nd 3bet to my 2nd minraise, so he could have made it bigger without worrying about getting too much credit for it.On the flop I decide to raise big, cause I think I have the best hand there, but it is vulnerable on that flop.Turn seems to be an ugly card...
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$55 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero1485 BBcicibaris1515 Effective Stacks: 50bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 60, cicibaris raises to 90, Hero calls 30 Flop (180, 2 players) cicibaris bets 180, Hero raises to 485, cicibaris calls 305 Turn (1150, 2 players) cicibaris goes all-in 940
I think the correct play is actually just to jam this flop, especially against a random. I really don't think you get called much less frequently by worse hands than you would by the raise that you made. Additionally, even with a hand like QT, he's quite correct to call your raise. It's big and then it's not, asking for only 31% equity to continue in the hand (QT has like 37%). Given that randoms will often call jams with those types of hands it generally does better just to get it in.I'm not loving our life btw, he's going to have a lot of overpairs/sets/two pair/A9, but we still have the best hand more often than not and will get value more often than not with a raise, as you thought as well.As played on the turn, there's just an extremely low amount of pure air in his range, which makes it an easy fold.
jamming the flop is convicing, ty!but as played i really thought about his all in bet on the turn. i mean, if he turned a straight there, wouldnt he check it to me? i showed so much aggression on the flop and even if I check behind he could still jam the river... that´s what i thought when timebanking, but I tend to be a station sometimes.. ^^
Preflop we can't rly do anything but call.otf I think there's def value in raising. People who min3bet and then pot the flop at the start of the match usually keep taking this line later in the match, at least in my experience, and thus have a fairly wide range here. I would raise an amount that would allow us to jam safe turns if he calls and checks, pretty much anything 8/5/T I think. I expect an occasional airballz here from villian along with some pairs when he comes over the top, so we should be fine against a 3bet and I call it off quite happily.I think I call this turn. Would probably sigh and fold if it was a T or a 5 completing the open ended draw. I can def see some misplayed 8x here, along with some better hands of course. I mean we prob have less than 40% equity here if I had to guess, but it's still a call
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Interesting, Yoni.Everytime he has 5x/Tx, we have 0% equity. I expect that to be a big chunk of his range here. Given all that 0%, we have to be ahead basically just as often to balance it out and get us to the 30% we need, especially considering we don't have it against two pair/sets that play it weirdly as well. I just don't expect him to have a bizarrely played hand with one pair or one of the few flush draw combos without one as often as Tx/5x here. He just has little to no hands in his range which don't have at least a pair which is a big problem considering how few people turn made hands into bluffs here.
Yea, I do think we're ahead here more than 30% of the time because of how likely it is that overpairs/2pair/sets just get it in on the flop, but the fact that villian is never drawing dead here, and we do quite often, does make it a fold.
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Once he jams turn I think the vast majority of hands we were ahead of on the flop and still ahead of once the turn hits are no longer in his range very often.
Yeah, it is a weird line for a straight, too, but you'll see Tx/5x do this a lot especially with the flush draw out there or just him worried about you checking behind and him not being able to get value.The big problem is that he just doesn't have enough air here. You have to believe he's doing this with a made-hand-into-a-bluff type situation a lot of the time, because he basically never has no pair.
calling ranges preflop 50 to 40bb deep vs a minraise (from unknown) are sth. personal i think, they depend on how good you are postflop. but how much should you deviate from your calling range vs. mr if you face sb. who 3xes his buttons? i think i tend to tighten up a bit too much vs. 3x raises, but i am not sure.any thoughts about that?!
You definitely should call tighter, hands like 96o, Q6o, J7o, 63s etc are hands that should be calling a 60% minraiser imo but not a 60% 3xer. It's not super extreme though, maybe 10% difference if I had to guess.
Regarding that K9 hand, what's your calling range ott ?Considering that we don't have any overpairs in our range since we'd 4-bet TT+, that'd be two pairs and sets. Would we still just jam the flop with these hands or maybe raise to something around 600 with a set ?As played, I think I'd flat this turn with any set and 97 - but maybe fold all weaker two pairs, or is that too tight ?
It's an awkward one to figure out, that's for sure. I think I'd probably call with 96 too but I'm honestly not sure.
running really hot since joining this program. read a lot of the articles here and tried to improve my game. calling potsize 3bets lighter than before is a great example and as you can see, it works.. (sometimes :D ) ;)but still soooo many things to improve... i really get into trouble against players who defend 95% vs. my minraises and don´t fold to cbets.. hope i can find a good example handhistory soon and post some hands here.i think about moving up to the 110$ level, but i wanna be prepared as good as possible. i know 1690 AD will probably sit me and test me out. never played him, but it would be great to have an idea how to approach him from the first game on. so any reads on him maybe?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$55 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBdrallbo1520 SBHero1480 Effective Stacks: 37bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 80, drallbo raises to 240, Hero calls 160 Flop (480, 2 players) drallbo bets 340, Hero calls 340 Turn (1160, 2 players) drallbo goes all-in 940, Hero goes all-in 900 River (3000, 2 players, 2 all-in) Final Pot: 3000 drallbo shows a pair of Nines Hero shows three of a kind, Nines Hero wins 2960 ( won +1480 ) drallbo lost -1480
I think this pre call is very borderline once you get this short to a potsized 3bet - I would fold T8o here, actually."but still soooo many things to improve... i really get into trouble against players who defend 95% vs. my minraises and don´t fold to cbets.. hope i can find a good example handhistory soon and post some hands here."Tighten up your opening range and go to valuetown!"i think about moving up to the 110$ level, but i wanna be prepared as good as possible. i know 1690 AD will probably sit me and test me out. never played him, but it would be great to have an idea how to approach him from the first game on. so any reads on him maybe?"1690's a good buddy of mine so I'm not going to sell him out with specific advice. I definitely would recommend not getting upset in chat when he sits you, that tilts him :) Definitely post some hands though and we'll talk about them.
oh, ok... didn´t know he´s your buddy.
Yeah no problem, I obv don't mind helping you out with hands against him, go kick his ass imo :) Just think initial reads/tells would be out of line on my part.
ok, it took 10 seconds till he sat me... :D think he is pretty good. probably i will send the hh to you for the review.15th hand of the match, my 3rd 3bet pre, he foldet to the first and second one. so as he calls pre, i don´t think he has good aces cause he would have 4bet them against me with the image i had. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$110 + $5 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero1410 SB1690 AD1590 Effective Stacks: 35bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players) Hero is BB 1690 AD raises to 80, Hero raises to 200, 1690 AD calls 120 Flop (400, 2 players) Hero bets 235, 1690 AD calls 235 Turn (870, 2 players) Hero checks, 1690 AD bets 165, Hero calls 165 River (1200, 2 players) Hero checks, 1690 AD goes all-in 990
I would definitely c-bet less on this flop. It's pretty weird to c-bet more than half pot on a board like this in general, but all you want to accomplish is have him fold out his equity and take advantage of the fact that the board hits your range so far. I think 235 actually looks weaker/weirder than 175 on this board!As played, he's obviously just trying to rep 7x, and he's doing it well. I usually would fold, but he's pretty balanced here. The biggest point is less on flop with everying in your range, here.
Shouldn't he be playing Ax like this, given how regs have very few Ax hands when they are checking that turn, and quite a lot of 99-KK and QK/KJ?
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Meh. I check turn with 100% of my Ax here, there's not a lot to get value out of with a turn bet and we can balance our turn checking range by checking. Given few draws on the flop I doubt he expects 99-KK and KQ/KJ to hero very much which will decrease his inclination to valuejam Ax. I think it's 7x or a float the vast majority of the time.
1)played a guy who opened 80% of his buttons, so i started 3betting him a bit (23%) , which he answered with 4bet jamming a lot (4/10).. 35-40bb deep, what range would you call his 4bet jams? 2)played a fish: No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$110 + $5 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBphilotheos1150 BBHero1850 Effective Stacks: 29bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players) Hero is BB philotheos raises to 80, Hero calls 40 Flop (160, 2 players) Hero checks, philotheos checks Turn (160, 2 players) Hero bets 75, philotheos calls 75 River (310, 2 players) Hero bets 160, philotheos raises to 320, Hero goes all-in 1695, philotheos goes all-in 675 Final Pot: 3000 philotheos shows Hero shows three of a kind, Tens Hero wins 3000 ( won +1150 ) philotheos lost -1150 after that hand: No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players $110 + $5 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBphilotheos1575 SBHero1425 Effective Stacks: 48bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 60, philotheos calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) philotheos bets 60, Hero raises to 150, philotheos calls 90 Turn (420, 2 players) philotheos bets 180, Hero calls 180 River (780, 2 players) philotheos bets 585 i would always call in that spot but given that hand before, can this become a jam on the river? don´t think so, but not 100% sure.. btw, don´t like my raisesize on the flop. and not sure about my turnplay, not sure about anything.. :(
"1)played a guy who opened 80% of his buttons, so i started 3betting him a bit (23%) , which he answered with 4bet jamming a lot (4/10).. 35-40bb deep, what range would you call his 4bet jams?"Against this opponent pretty much anything I'm 3betting for value, I'm calling off a shove, especially at this stack depth. That means AT+, KQ, 88+, KJs etc.
I think more on the turn with the QT is definitely best, but no need if he's going to spew off his stack on the river :)I would jam river as played, yes, given prior reads. You're right that it's usually a call.