While I was writing this, I realized how irrational and non-mathematical this fear is. So I took a short break, getting some fresh air, then went back to the tables, playing another short session.And it was a good decision. For the first time ever, I was able to fight myself through this beginning tilt feeling. I'm currently watching some trance music which is very relaxing, which helped me a lot to focus again and play another 35 games.Well, turned out that the poker gods in fact do reward the brave ! Still break-even, but ran the equity line up a lot :-)Now at 849 games, up $445 including SN rakeback - and about 10 buys-ins below equity - that actually makes it a 2% ROI ! Sure, it's still a super small sample size, but looks like I'm finally winning in these games.
@ 93 hand: looks good. i like sizings on all streets, river check super standard - would fold to a lead without great reads. probably fold preflop though first hand 25 deep - there will be plenty of opponents to raise atc against, but i dont think that the average ST player is that villain. let's get some reads first before opening our pf ranges this much. i'd be opening about 80-85% of hands first hand this deep i'd estimate.@ Q5 hand: again, really standard. i do respect a turn c/mr over a double barrel A TON - I would fold single pair hands here including AK! it's just not worse than 1 pair everrrrr, especially with such a committing size. fwiw, i would SNAP a turn check/shove with AK - that's how big of a difference the 2 lines are (c/mr vs c/shove) at these stacks from the average villain.i might barrel turn just a little bigger to assure that villains tacks off wide on the river. think about the range he can continue with - he has a ton of hands that arent folding to a double barrel (KX/QX/any JX with pair/etc)...it's not like a smaller barrel gets called by anything lighter really so i think in a spot like htis, bigger is better. @ Q8 hand: I like 3 barrels, but think about your turn sizing a bit. what are you trying to accomplish? your plan is to fire 3 streets, so we aren't simply betting the turn for fold equity (since there are soo many hands that villain can call turn with but fold rivers unimproved). we are betting the turn for turn fe + getting called by a weak range that cant call 3 barrels often enough. so to get called by a wide range, we can bet a little smaller (t70/80) - this sets up better stack sizes on river for us to slight overbet shove which should increase our fold equity a bit (and fold equity will obviously be increased bc we encouraged a wider range to call). also, a smaller turn size discourages a turn check/shove - a line that would really suck for us given our good equity.
also, sorry Xereles, but read-only is read-only. don't mean to be a huge nit, but if i start making a few exceptions then it gets tough telling read-onlys they can't post. no more posting please.
Let's say we're playing against a good reg, who's also a Fast Track member.We both are fairly aggressive on our buttons, I flatted his first two opens, then folded to an overbet-jam on a monochrome board and a normal cbet on Ace-high, folded to his 3rd open.Then I pick up Aces in the BB for 15.8 bb effective stacks - jam, timedown then jam, or flat ?I jammed, he folded. He folded to my next open, then minraised again for 14.5 bb - good 3bet-jam with K9o, considering that I just did it ?
Second hand against unknown, I guess I should just have check/folded the flop.No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero520 SBAnansi89480 Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)Hero is BBAnansi89 raises to 40, Hero calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Hero checks, Anansi89 bets 40, Hero calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) Hero checks, Anansi89 bets 100, Hero calls 100 River (360, 2 players) Hero checks, Anansi89 goes all-in 300, Hero calls 300 Final Pot: 960
timedown then jam?I like this but I think it would be more +EV to call and let me barell, specially since you view me as an aggro player, that means I will fold more often to your jams, and because ot that I def think you should push K9 type om hands. I'm a bit curious about our second match where you cr K9o on 765ss (17bb deep)?What was your thought process on that hand, might be a bit marginall/leak since you didnt have a backdoor flush draw either. GG though, was fun playing a thinking player :)Wanted to DB into you on the AJ3 board since I remeber that you didnt like it, but just remembered it after I hit the check button. Started to DB these boards and mono boards against TAGs with good results this far.
Well, I wasn't sure whether flatting for about 15bb wouldn't actually look a lot stronger than just jamming since you'd probably expect me to jam a ton at these stack sizes anyways, so flatting may have looked weird.Lemme quickly post these other two hands: No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero480 BBmrbambocha47520 Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to 40, mrbambocha47 calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) mrbambocha47 checks, Hero bets 40, mrbambocha47 calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) mrbambocha47 checks, Hero bets 80, mrbambocha47 foldsFinal Pot: 240 Leading here isn't a very good idea as I just learned recently - just think about who can have an Ace here and who can't. The only value hand that you can have here and happily gii against me is A3, basically - and why would you lead into me with that on a board where I'd cbet my entire range ?You never have a set here as you'd jam all PP's pre-flop, you're not flatting with J3 and the only Ax hands that you can have here are those that you're not 3bet-jamming, ie. the weaker ones.On the other hand, I can have a ton of Ax and good Jx, even QQ and KK.I would have folded if you led into me since I had complete air as you can see - but would have attacked and played back against your donks on A-high boards a lot if you did them again.Same concept also applies in limped pots - I often made this mistake of leading A-high boards in limped pots, thinking my opponent doesn't have any ace - then learned that I don't rep any Ace either, so they can easily float and take it away from me on later streets.
That K9o hand:No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero495 SBmrbambocha47505 Effective Stacks: 17bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players)Hero is BBmrbambocha47 raises to 60, Hero calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) Hero checks, mrbambocha47 bets 60, Hero raises to 180, mrbambocha47 goes all-in 445, Hero goes all-in 255 Turn (1000, 2 players, 2 all-in)River (1000, 2 players, 2 all-in)Final Pot: 1000 Yeah, you're right - I really don't remember anymore what I was thinking in that hand.I c/r you because I thought this board would hit my pre-flop flatting range really hard - you've been opening so many buttons that I would have 3bet-jammed any Ax and most broadway type hands, only flatting these middling hands. And this board also looked scary enough to me that you shouldn't float me too wide.And as you jammed over the top, yeah I definitely should have folded, but then talked myself into calling because of that gutshot and two overs - which could be good at least sometimes, if you ever jam draws.
Speaking of donk-bets on Ace-high flops ...Hokie, just saw your comment http://www.husng.com/content/georges-pokerstars-super-turbo-hh-thread#co... regarding George's K8 hand.Is this because that guy is a random, so we don't know his pf flatting ranges, ie. how much of his Ax / Qx / PP's he'd 3bet pf ?Against a reg, I'd actually like raising here a lot, considering what I wrote above - ie. he doesn't have that much Ax in his range, we do.So let's say we played that K8 hand against a good reg, or even another Fast Track member - good spot for a multi-barrel bluff giving those reads ? Sure, we'd have to fold after getting c/r ott, but would you still fire a 2nd barrel ?
Regarding the AJ3 hand.Yes I see your point, how about against non thinking players who doesnt put me on a range?I've got this Idea since I watched H2Olga's last video where he says he always leads out on mono boards where villain rarelly calls without a pir or flushdraw and that automaticly makes it profitable to donk.And how about the push on the mono board with flush. Heard that r-q pushes this boards with flush since players plays so fit or fold on them anyways. Is it a good idea, or just against certain villians?
You mean this one:No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero520 SBmrbambocha47480 Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)Hero is BBmrbambocha47 raises to 40, Hero calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Hero checks, mrbambocha47 goes all-in 440, Hero foldsFinal Pot: 520 You had a flush ?Really don't like jamming here. Just think about which value hands I could possibly have here. The only thing that I might continue with is KsTx - and that's it. I'd certainly fold all lesser Tx and there are no overpairs or AsTx in my range as I'd 3bet these pre.And now think about what I'd continue with if you cbet any smaller here.Well, there aren't that many hands either.For instance, there aren't too many Asx hands in my range: I know that you're opening your buttons super wide, so I'd 3bet-jam A7s+ and A8o+ against you. And I wouldn't feel happy about c/r'ing a weak As and gii against you - since I'd know I'm crushed when I c/r and you jam over the top.I'd certainly continue with any decent Tx against a normal cbet - especially Tx with a spade - and play these fast, i.e c/r and gii. Same for As3x and As4x.But these aren't really that many hands - and I'd especially not float you super wide or c/r bluff or anything like that.So why should you ever overbet-jam here with air ? It's simply a very non-optimal bet size for a bluff, since a normal cbet would have almost the exact same effect.Big problem with using this size with value against a thinking player early in the match is that I actually give you credit for having a strong hand - which means a normal cbet on this board texture is probably weaker.I know that it's also hard for you to actually have a super strong hand on this board, not just for me - and you just told me you flopped the nuts by overbet-jamming. So if there was another monochrome board that match, I wouldn't give you any credit at all for having a flush again. That doesn't necessarily mean I'd go totally crazy and move you off with air - but you'd have a very hard time bluffing.However, this overbet-jam may actually be a great line to take against non-thinking players - especially if these lower cards were a little bit higher - fish may snap you off with the naked As or even any pair thinking you're fos.
This guy started the match extremely aggressive, openjammed his first two buttons, then opened the next two. First time where we've seen a flop.No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBLazzzyDog550 SBHero450 Effective Stacks: 23bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to 40, LazzzyDog calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) LazzzyDog checks, Hero bets 40, LazzzyDog calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) LazzzyDog checks, Hero checks River (160, 2 players) LazzzyDog bets 100, Hero calls 100 Final Pot: 360
Another standard spot: we hit a weak top pair and there's an overcard ott.Also didn't really pay attention to stack sizes, I should not have flatted JTo for 15bb - and if I did, maybe check/jam flop ?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBDrKorcsok460 BBHero540 Effective Stacks: 15bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players)Hero is BBDrKorcsok raises to 60, Hero calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) Hero checks, DrKorcsok bets 90, Hero calls 90 Turn (300, 2 players) Hero checks, DrKorcsok goes all-in 310, Hero calls 310 River (920, 2 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: 920
And this here reminds me on that discussion on 2+2:http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/185/heads-up-sng/60st-vs-donkbets-1081651/It's such a small bet on the turn and river, but we don't really beat anything.No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBKasyan-82430 SBHero570 Effective Stacks: 22bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to 40, Kasyan-82 calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Kasyan-82 bets 40, Hero calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) Kasyan-82 bets 20, Hero calls 20 River (200, 2 players) Kasyan-82 bets 40, Hero calls 40 Final Pot: 280
Let's say we're playing against a good reg, who's also a Fast Track member.We both are fairly aggressive on our buttons, I flatted his first two opens, then folded to an overbet-jam on a monochrome board and a normal cbet on Ace-high, folded to his 3rd open.Then I pick up Aces in the BB for 15.8 bb effective stacks - jam, timedown then jam, or flat ?I jammed, he folded. He folded to my next open, then minraised again for 14.5 bb - good 3bet-jam with K9o, considering that I just did it ?way too much card removal/fold equity with the AA. I much prefer flatting vs a wide opener and just check/jamming most cbets.K9o jam seems fine, can see flatting vs a tighter opener - but I suspect a wide openers button raising range to stay the same or possibly even widen after you 3bet jam...i think most thinking players assume other thinking players will play more fit or fold oop after 3bet shoving (so they open wider).
@K9 hand:vs thinking players a c/r will be pretty good as a lot of guys will get leveled pretty hard by it and spew. i think c/c vs randoms is fine and i'm not folding to 3 barrels. it sucks though as our range is kinda face up so barreling into us w air seems pretty unlikely. i just sigh/call/reevaluate for future decisions. pretty standard.
Well, I wasn't sure whether flatting for about 15bb wouldn't actually look a lot stronger than just jamming since you'd probably expect me to jam a ton at these stack sizes anyways, so flatting may have looked weird.unless he is opening his button a bunch and folding to lots of shoves, we should probably have some kind of flatting range at these stacks still. J9/T9s/Q8/Q7s type stuff probably have slightly better expectation as a flat than jamming. depends on his frequencies obv, but i think vs avg thinking player that would be my standard play with those hands. if that is the case, our flat shouldn't look that strong.
@ 95 hand:just be careful that he doesnt know too much about your thought process barreling this board. if you are barreling off 95 here with this reasoning, you are essentially barreling atc. if you are barreling atc as well as your QJ+ for value - you will not have enough value hands in your range to be balanced. being exploitable is perfectly fine, just keep in mind what you are opening yourself up to. if villain is flatting some weak AX, calling off with all JX...his calldown range is probably exploiting our frequency. don't want to discourage you from barreling in spots where villains range is weak, just keep in mind that he might be thinking on the same level as you about the spot.
@K9:Just check/shove the flop vs thinking players. Yes, it's an overbet, but you are NEVER c/r bluffing to this non-allin size - thinking players know this so just check/jam. prob gets called lighter which is better for pretty much anything u check/jam.check/shove seems perfectly fine if he cbets a reasonable amount on this board. donkbet/jam is probably the best line imo so that he isnt able to determine what range he cbets with - take initiative away.
Speaking of donk-bets on Ace-high flops ...Hokie, just saw your comment http://www.husng.com/content/georges-pokerstars-super-turbo-hh-thread#co... regarding George's K8 hand.Is this because that guy is a random, so we don't know his pf flatting ranges, ie. how much of his Ax / Qx / PP's he'd 3bet pf ?Against a reg, I'd actually like raising here a lot, considering what I wrote above - ie. he doesn't have that much Ax in his range, we do.So let's say we played that K8 hand against a good reg, or even another Fast Track member - good spot for a multi-barrel bluff giving those reads ? Sure, we'd have to fold after getting c/r ott, but would you still fire a 2nd barrel ?My main point was that when most people mindonk this type of board they are expecting to get bluff-raised. I don't think their range matters a ton, as I just don't think many people mindonk hands and give up easily to a raise. I'd like to get an idea of frequencies and types of boards being led before starting to play back.
@ K4: looks good, too many missed draws for us to fold here readless. at deeper stacks i would barrel the turn to protect and for river implied odds. at these stacks i prefer turn check as i'm pretty worried about getting check/jammed on a board like this and having to fold.@ J7: hmm, flop REALLY looks like a c/r to me. protect equity, i think a c/r looks kinda bluffy to al ot of people and gets looked up pretty light. if you do decide to flat at these stacks, it is bc i foresee villain barreling a ton - so an overcard isn't a bad card for us as his bluffing frequency should be very high. im stacking off on this flop always.@K7: haha, such a sick spot. i actually think yoru turn fold is perfectly fine. i give minraises over my 2nd barrel a lot of respect until i find reason to do otherwise. it is just such a strong line from the avg player. nice hand - glad to see you lead flop, been seeing way too many flop c/r with weak top pairs (compared to flop stack off ranges limped) in this forum. want to see more leading both with real hands and air.@Q9: looks good.@KJ: fold river readless. i think when people check back the flop it's usually not with the plan to take some crazy bluff line on future streets. i respect this play until i have reason to do otherwise.
That guy was extremely aggro, he opened close to 100% of his buttons, I already 3bet-jammed a few times before where he folded. And he also 3bet me quite a bit, so I tried limping.
[18/18]########################################## PokerStars Game 66065229812 / Tournament Table 428001455 1 - Blinds : 15/30 ########################################## 2 players [But]+[SB] jackoneill76 (320) [BB] pokerlove82 (680) jackoneill76 5 K Initial Pot: 45 jackoneill76 calls 15 pokerlove82 raises to 60 jackoneill76 calls 30 ### FLOP ### 4 3 4 Pot: 120 pokerlove82 bets 60 jackoneill76 is All in
This guy has been extremely aggro, and I've already tried to bluff him off hands without much success. First time that he's minbetting.
Not continuing here against the minraise of death - but maybe I shouldn't immediately attack his limp first time he's doing it ?I think one big mistake I made here was not really paying attention to the player type - this guy is pretty much loose-aggressive, so bluffing him isn't such a good idea. Oh yeah - this one !I've seen so many check/minraises this session, that I started to seriously doubt that they really have it. Maybe I've also been overly scared about these check/minraises - isn't it a completely different thing when they do it on the flop, not on the turn ?
So my thinking here was that I didn't believe him to actually have Kx here, so I decided to flat and reevaluate turn. Then, I picked up some equity with that Queen-high flush draw and it was such a tiny little bet. And on the river, I made my set, thus beating all the Kx / two pair hands. This session went fine, but I felt like I didn't deserve to win this one:
[22/22] ########################################## PokerStars Game 66063775852 / Tournament Table 427988305 1 - Blinds : 15/30 ########################################## 2 players [But]+[SB] palenque88 (415) [BB] jackoneill76 (585) jackoneill76 7 J Initial Pot: 45 palenque88 raises to 60 jackoneill76 calls 30 ### FLOP ### T 7 5 Pot: 120 jackoneill76 checks palenque88 bets 90 jackoneill76 calls 90 ### TURN ### 7 Pot: 300 jackoneill76 checks palenque88 is All in jackoneill76 calls 265 ### RIVER ### T Pot: 830 jackoneill76 shows 7 J palenque88 shows Q Q jackoneill76 wins 830 from the main pot with A Full House, sevens full of tens
[15/34] ########################################## PokerStars Game 66064718743 / Tournament Table 427996872 1 - Blinds : 15/30 ########################################## 2 players [But]+[SB] jackoneill76 (645) [BB] drgeniusus (355) jackoneill76 A T Initial Pot: 45 jackoneill76 raises to 60 drgeniusus folds
Minraise/call ok here, or should I better openjam ?He previously both openjammed and minraised at these stack sizes, now he suddenly limps, but I have a super strong hand. Good idea to jam here ?
[22/34] ########################################## PokerStars Game 66064758944 / Tournament Table 427996872 1 - Blinds : 15/30 ########################################## 2 players [But]+[SB] drgeniusus (680) [BB] jackoneill76 (320) jackoneill76 A 9 Initial Pot: 45 drgeniusus calls 15 jackoneill76 is All in drgeniusus calls 290
He limp-trapped me that hand. Then he minraised and openjammed a few more of his buttons, now he suddenly limped again. I already jammed a few times over his minraises where he folded.
[30/34] ########################################## PokerStars Game 66064792234 / Tournament Table 427996872 1 - Blinds : 15/30 ########################################## 2 players [But]+[SB] drgeniusus (285) [BB] jackoneill76 (715) jackoneill76 J 9 Initial Pot: 45 drgeniusus calls 15 jackoneill76 is All in
@83:since you didn't post any reads, i'm going to say this is a fold pre. opening 100% is too wide vs the averge player. i can see some reasons for opening this wide at this stacks, let me know if you have more info to back that up.postflop, i'm not bet/folding top pair this short. yes, it's a connected board but people are induced to play a much wider range faster than we might be used to because of how short stacks are. c/r their 6X/7X type stuff "to protect" bc stacks are short. i dont feel great about it, but i'm def stacking off here.@K7:looks good@AT:i would never play it any differently.@A9:really standard. stuff that dominates a limp/calling range like KQ/JT type stuff i would raise non-allin to like 95ish and jam most flops. A9 doesn't dominate a limp calling range really.@J9:a little close, but i would check back here with a hand that plays really well in limped pots.
@T5:river check is super standard. our vbet needs to work 50%> to be correct, i doubt many players call anything on the river enough for that to work.@KJ:hard to put him on AX and it feels like a spazzy/wierd line to me. i jam with decent equity vs TX and possibly some fold equity. i don't expect to see an ace much at all even with the line he is taking.@K8:looks like a minraise call to me.
@K5:def just jam pre. it's not a hand that limps well and you have to limp/fold. you can jam with NASH. def jamming here always.@Q9:ya i'm not c/r here without reads or some frequencies.@K7:definitely a fold post. i just check back pre though - it's not that valuable of a hand to raise a limp with as it doesnt really dominate a limp/calling range by any means. decent hand for al imped pot though.@QQ:i'm flatting turn and rivers unimproved typically. lots of his range got there on the turn.@J7:check/shove the flop, especially after his big cbet size. we can't really check/fold future streets this committed and it sucks to let the parts of his range we are ahead of realize it's equity by us playing passively. really standard c/shove imo.
Just looked at over my last sessions to find spots where I got either led into or check/raised on the river, where I was unsure what to do. I think I'm calling these way too light. $10/$20 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBamaenpaa$490.00 BTNHero$510.00 Effective Stacks: 25bb Pre-Flop ($30.00, 2 players)Hero is BTNHero raises to $40.00, amaenpaa calls $20.00 Flop ($80.00, 2 players) amaenpaa checks, Hero bets $40.00, amaenpaa calls $40.00 Turn ($160.00, 2 players) amaenpaa checks, Hero bets $80.00, amaenpaa calls $80.00 River ($320.00, 2 players) amaenpaa checks, Hero bets $120.00, amaenpaa raises to $240.00, Hero calls $120.00 Final Pot: $800.00 $10/$20 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBjevero$490.00 BTNHero$510.00 Effective Stacks: 25bb Pre-Flop ($30.00, 2 players)Hero is BTNHero raises to $40.00, jevero calls $20.00 Flop ($80.00, 2 players) jevero checks, Hero bets $40.00, jevero calls $40.00 Turn ($160.00, 2 players) jevero checks, Hero bets $80.00, jevero calls $80.00 River ($320.00, 2 players) jevero checks, Hero bets $120.00, jevero raises to $240.00, Hero goes all-in $350.00, jevero goes all-in $90.00 Final Pot: $1000.00 $10/$20 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converterBBSylvest99$410.00 BTNHero$590.00 Effective Stacks: 21bb Pre-Flop ($30.00, 2 players)Hero is BTNHero raises to $40.00, Sylvest99 calls $20.00 Flop ($80.00, 2 players) Sylvest99 checks, Hero bets $40.00, Sylvest99 calls $40.00 Turn ($160.00, 2 players) Sylvest99 checks, Hero checks River ($160.00, 2 players) Sylvest99 checks, Hero bets $80.00, Sylvest99 raises to $160.00, Hero calls $80.00 Final Pot: $480.00 $10/$20 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converterBBpalm91$540.00 BTNHero$460.00 Effective Stacks: 23bb Pre-Flop ($30.00, 2 players)Hero is BTNHero raises to $40.00, palm91 calls $20.00 Flop ($80.00, 2 players) palm91 checks, Hero bets $40.00, palm91 calls $40.00 Turn ($160.00, 2 players) palm91 checks, Hero bets $80.00, palm91 raises to $160.00, Hero calls $80.00 River ($480.00, 2 players) palm91 goes all-in $300.00, Hero goes all-in $220.00 Final Pot: $1000.00
call me a nit, but i fold all of them! i even fold the K9 to the turn check/minraise. think about the population tendancy in these spots - it is a range that is far ahead of all of your hands. my thought process is basically: if villain is exploiting me by bluffing me in these spots, he either will not do it with enough frequency for it to matter - or he will do it with too high of a frequency and it will be easy to spot that frequency and adjust accordingly. when we are readless, poker is not a guessing game - we use population tendancies to make decisions. the only thing that makes these situations closer to me is that they are all check/minraises so we don't have to be good that often to be able to call (like 20%ish in most of the hands) - i still don't think we are good that frequently in my experience though. bluffs make almost no sense in all spots and i don't see people making super-thin value check/minraises on these type boards either!K4 hand might be debatable, but considering how many combos make sense that beat us i still think it's a fold (flush, 68/63, full house). there aren't that many 4X combos in average players oop calling range that we beat (most people are folding 94o type stuff).
Thanks a lot for your quick reply, and I hope you had a safe flight home.Really like your argument, didn't really think about it like that before. When I got into this situation at the table, I was always thinking this line absolutely doesn't make any sense at all, so it must be a bluff.But then I looked at my database and explicitly filtered for these spots - realizing that I'm already down 10 buy-ins in these spots over the last 500 games !Looks pretty much like we just found and fixed a major leak in my game :-)Btw. I'm also single-tabling as you suggested and I'm really happy with my results so far !
This guy is tight-aggressive, opens about 67%, but very nitty in his bb.Maybe not such a great card to fire a 2nd barrel against this guy ? Since he's so tight oop, this board doesn't really hit his range at all and I also don't see him float with random Kx here either, except AcKx maybe.No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero500 BBPaulharvey3500 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to 40, Paulharvey3 calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Paulharvey3 checks, Hero bets 40, Paulharvey3 calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) Paulharvey3 checks, Hero bets 80, Paulharvey3 raises to 260, Hero foldsFinal Pot: 500
And I keep paying people off with their monsters ....No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBkyri0113380 SBHero620 Effective Stacks: 19bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to 40, kyri0113 raises to 80, Hero goes all-in 620, kyri0113 goes all-in 300
I'm itching to play poker, so let me take a crack at these hands: imho: the J5 is fine wp; the A8ss I would actually strongly consider checking back the flop because of your reads, and definitely check back turn/shut down river, but I'm curious in particular about flop decision; The Q7 river decision is really close between chk back and value bet and depends on reads on villains looseness/passiveness oop; the Q8--wtf is that river jam? just c/f river, he's rarely firing the 3rd barrel in that spot without 9x; 66 standard wp; QT looks fine though turn is close to a check back i think--it's a good place to dbl barrel bluff, so it might be better not to vbet, dunno though it's close.
My thinking in the A8ss was since this board doesn't hit his range very much, I can easily barrel him off, even fire three barrels as long as the board texture doesn't change.The Q8 - yeah, I think I'm stacking off way too light in these spots - I simply tell myself it's now less likely that he actually has 9x ...Don't like checking back with that QT at all - I still have the best hand ott a lot, so I absolutely want to get some value.
J5: turn bet is mandatory. think about all the combo draws that will call a turn bet, and then rivers unimproved can go check/check. you are missing value vs all these combo draws, AND giving free equity to his entire range. if we bet turn and get c/r it's a super easy fold. think about this one a bit!A8: I agree it's not the best board to barrel, but I think you are probably misinterpreting his oop range. If he has a nitty range oop, thats going to be a lot of T8-KT, QJ, Q9, K9 type hands. I think a nitty range actually hits the board quite hard, which is why I wouldn't barrel it. I would be shutting down on the majority of turns on this board really - possibly not even cbetting the flop given how hard the flop hits him.Q7: 2 barrel is great - the K misses ihs range completely and your Q/7 outs should still have some equity when called (esp Q). river is a checkback without reads that he will be hero'ing the river a ton (thus making your 3 barreling here really -ev!). think about it the hands you are trying to get value from, if he's calling down 3 barrels with them your 3 barrel on missed rivers would be epic bad.Q8: nothing calls your river check/jam that you beat. yes, it's just 80 chips more, but that thought process of "just throwing the last few in because its short stacks" really adds up over the long term! also, when you check/jam and never get called by worse and you fold out all of his air you don't get to see his hand - when you call, you get a lot of info from seeing what type hands he was barreling.QT: looks really good to me. I like every street. But do you see the contradictory thought process between this hand and the J5 hand? The turn situations are so similar! Bet both!AT/A7/A3/89: all very standard for me.76o: this isn't a board we would be stabbing no equity air pretty much ever, so i'm totally comfortable just leading full pot on this board. even if he is skeptical of a bigger sizing, eh will have a ton of combos that continue on this board. as played, honestly just jam his minraise on the flop. villains respect a small 3bet on this board at these short stacks sooo damn much. a jam looks like drawy type stuff more, and probably gets called wider than a minraising nitfest that happened here :)
I hate these spots ! Would have snapfolded to a check/minraise, but wasn't so sure about a check/jam since there are also some draws that he could be doing that.No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBStylasz490 SBHero510 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to 40, Stylasz calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Stylasz checks, Hero bets 50, Stylasz calls 50 Turn (180, 2 players) Stylasz checks, Hero bets 100, Stylasz goes all-in 400, Hero calls 300 River (980, 2 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: 980
First hand of the match against an unknown. Maybe just check/fold on this flop instead of cbetting ?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBm24francis500 BBHero500 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)Hero is BB m24francis calls 10, Hero raises to 60, m24francis calls 40 Flop (120, 2 players) Hero bets 60, m24francis calls 60 Turn (240, 2 players) Hero checks, m24francis goes all-in 380, Hero foldsFinal Pot: 620
Another one, I really think I need to learn to fold in these spots ...No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero520 SBrosdale51286480 Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)Hero is BBrosdale51286 raises to 60, Hero calls 40 Flop (120, 2 players) Hero checks, rosdale51286 checks Turn (120, 2 players) Hero bets 80, rosdale51286 calls 80 River (280, 2 players) Hero bets 160, rosdale51286 raises to 320, Hero goes all-in 380, rosdale51286 goes all-in 20 Final Pot: 1000
T9: looks good. lots of action killing turn cards if we flat. jam looks weaker than a non-ai 3bet. niceAJ: good. lots of hands will be check/jamming turn to protect equity - combo draws/draws w good equity/etc. i'd probably nit up and fold to a check/minraise thoughKQ: would barrel with K/Q of diamonds. i tihnk giving up here is fine. have to know about how fast he plays his big hands and how willing he is to fold to barrels. tons of hands in his range have great equity on river tooKJ: ya fold river, i thnk you see a bluff almost never and chop at best.
While I was writing this, I realized how irrational and non-mathematical this fear is. So I took a short break, getting some fresh air, then went back to the tables, playing another short session.And it was a good decision. For the first time ever, I was able to fight myself through this beginning tilt feeling. I'm currently watching some trance music which is very relaxing, which helped me a lot to focus again and play another 35 games.Well, turned out that the poker gods in fact do reward the brave ! Still break-even, but ran the equity line up a lot :-)Now at 849 games, up $445 including SN rakeback - and about 10 buys-ins below equity - that actually makes it a 2% ROI ! Sure, it's still a super small sample size, but looks like I'm finally winning in these games.
@ 93 hand: looks good. i like sizings on all streets, river check super standard - would fold to a lead without great reads. probably fold preflop though first hand 25 deep - there will be plenty of opponents to raise atc against, but i dont think that the average ST player is that villain. let's get some reads first before opening our pf ranges this much. i'd be opening about 80-85% of hands first hand this deep i'd estimate.@ Q5 hand: again, really standard. i do respect a turn c/mr over a double barrel A TON - I would fold single pair hands here including AK! it's just not worse than 1 pair everrrrr, especially with such a committing size. fwiw, i would SNAP a turn check/shove with AK - that's how big of a difference the 2 lines are (c/mr vs c/shove) at these stacks from the average villain.i might barrel turn just a little bigger to assure that villains tacks off wide on the river. think about the range he can continue with - he has a ton of hands that arent folding to a double barrel (KX/QX/any JX with pair/etc)...it's not like a smaller barrel gets called by anything lighter really so i think in a spot like htis, bigger is better. @ Q8 hand: I like 3 barrels, but think about your turn sizing a bit. what are you trying to accomplish? your plan is to fire 3 streets, so we aren't simply betting the turn for fold equity (since there are soo many hands that villain can call turn with but fold rivers unimproved). we are betting the turn for turn fe + getting called by a weak range that cant call 3 barrels often enough. so to get called by a wide range, we can bet a little smaller (t70/80) - this sets up better stack sizes on river for us to slight overbet shove which should increase our fold equity a bit (and fold equity will obviously be increased bc we encouraged a wider range to call). also, a smaller turn size discourages a turn check/shove - a line that would really suck for us given our good equity.
also, sorry Xereles, but read-only is read-only. don't mean to be a huge nit, but if i start making a few exceptions then it gets tough telling read-onlys they can't post. no more posting please.
Just wondering how your mental game work is coming along. Have you started a private blog to journal in a bit or anything?
Let's say we're playing against a good reg, who's also a Fast Track member.We both are fairly aggressive on our buttons, I flatted his first two opens, then folded to an overbet-jam on a monochrome board and a normal cbet on Ace-high, folded to his 3rd open.Then I pick up Aces in the BB for 15.8 bb effective stacks - jam, timedown then jam, or flat ?I jammed, he folded. He folded to my next open, then minraised again for 14.5 bb - good 3bet-jam with K9o, considering that I just did it ?
Second hand against unknown, I guess I should just have check/folded the flop.No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero520 SBAnansi89480 Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB Anansi89 raises to 40, Hero calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Hero checks, Anansi89 bets 40, Hero calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) Hero checks, Anansi89 bets 100, Hero calls 100 River (360, 2 players) Hero checks, Anansi89 goes all-in 300, Hero calls 300 Final Pot: 960
timedown then jam?I like this but I think it would be more +EV to call and let me barell, specially since you view me as an aggro player, that means I will fold more often to your jams, and because ot that I def think you should push K9 type om hands. I'm a bit curious about our second match where you cr K9o on 765ss (17bb deep)?What was your thought process on that hand, might be a bit marginall/leak since you didnt have a backdoor flush draw either. GG though, was fun playing a thinking player :)Wanted to DB into you on the AJ3 board since I remeber that you didnt like it, but just remembered it after I hit the check button. Started to DB these boards and mono boards against TAGs with good results this far.
Well, I wasn't sure whether flatting for about 15bb wouldn't actually look a lot stronger than just jamming since you'd probably expect me to jam a ton at these stack sizes anyways, so flatting may have looked weird.Lemme quickly post these other two hands: No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero480 BBmrbambocha47520 Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, mrbambocha47 calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) mrbambocha47 checks, Hero bets 40, mrbambocha47 calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) mrbambocha47 checks, Hero bets 80, mrbambocha47 folds Final Pot: 240 Leading here isn't a very good idea as I just learned recently - just think about who can have an Ace here and who can't. The only value hand that you can have here and happily gii against me is A3, basically - and why would you lead into me with that on a board where I'd cbet my entire range ?You never have a set here as you'd jam all PP's pre-flop, you're not flatting with J3 and the only Ax hands that you can have here are those that you're not 3bet-jamming, ie. the weaker ones.On the other hand, I can have a ton of Ax and good Jx, even QQ and KK.I would have folded if you led into me since I had complete air as you can see - but would have attacked and played back against your donks on A-high boards a lot if you did them again.Same concept also applies in limped pots - I often made this mistake of leading A-high boards in limped pots, thinking my opponent doesn't have any ace - then learned that I don't rep any Ace either, so they can easily float and take it away from me on later streets.
That K9o hand:No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero495 SBmrbambocha47505 Effective Stacks: 17bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BB mrbambocha47 raises to 60, Hero calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) Hero checks, mrbambocha47 bets 60, Hero raises to 180, mrbambocha47 goes all-in 445, Hero goes all-in 255 Turn (1000, 2 players, 2 all-in) River (1000, 2 players, 2 all-in) Final Pot: 1000 Yeah, you're right - I really don't remember anymore what I was thinking in that hand.I c/r you because I thought this board would hit my pre-flop flatting range really hard - you've been opening so many buttons that I would have 3bet-jammed any Ax and most broadway type hands, only flatting these middling hands. And this board also looked scary enough to me that you shouldn't float me too wide.And as you jammed over the top, yeah I definitely should have folded, but then talked myself into calling because of that gutshot and two overs - which could be good at least sometimes, if you ever jam draws.
Speaking of donk-bets on Ace-high flops ...Hokie, just saw your comment http://www.husng.com/content/georges-pokerstars-super-turbo-hh-thread#co... regarding George's K8 hand.Is this because that guy is a random, so we don't know his pf flatting ranges, ie. how much of his Ax / Qx / PP's he'd 3bet pf ?Against a reg, I'd actually like raising here a lot, considering what I wrote above - ie. he doesn't have that much Ax in his range, we do.So let's say we played that K8 hand against a good reg, or even another Fast Track member - good spot for a multi-barrel bluff giving those reads ? Sure, we'd have to fold after getting c/r ott, but would you still fire a 2nd barrel ?
Regarding the AJ3 hand.Yes I see your point, how about against non thinking players who doesnt put me on a range?I've got this Idea since I watched H2Olga's last video where he says he always leads out on mono boards where villain rarelly calls without a pir or flushdraw and that automaticly makes it profitable to donk.And how about the push on the mono board with flush. Heard that r-q pushes this boards with flush since players plays so fit or fold on them anyways. Is it a good idea, or just against certain villians?
You mean this one:No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero520 SBmrbambocha47480 Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB mrbambocha47 raises to 40, Hero calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Hero checks, mrbambocha47 goes all-in 440, Hero folds Final Pot: 520 You had a flush ?Really don't like jamming here. Just think about which value hands I could possibly have here. The only thing that I might continue with is KsTx - and that's it. I'd certainly fold all lesser Tx and there are no overpairs or AsTx in my range as I'd 3bet these pre.And now think about what I'd continue with if you cbet any smaller here.Well, there aren't that many hands either.For instance, there aren't too many Asx hands in my range: I know that you're opening your buttons super wide, so I'd 3bet-jam A7s+ and A8o+ against you. And I wouldn't feel happy about c/r'ing a weak As and gii against you - since I'd know I'm crushed when I c/r and you jam over the top.I'd certainly continue with any decent Tx against a normal cbet - especially Tx with a spade - and play these fast, i.e c/r and gii. Same for As3x and As4x.But these aren't really that many hands - and I'd especially not float you super wide or c/r bluff or anything like that.So why should you ever overbet-jam here with air ? It's simply a very non-optimal bet size for a bluff, since a normal cbet would have almost the exact same effect.Big problem with using this size with value against a thinking player early in the match is that I actually give you credit for having a strong hand - which means a normal cbet on this board texture is probably weaker.I know that it's also hard for you to actually have a super strong hand on this board, not just for me - and you just told me you flopped the nuts by overbet-jamming. So if there was another monochrome board that match, I wouldn't give you any credit at all for having a flush again. That doesn't necessarily mean I'd go totally crazy and move you off with air - but you'd have a very hard time bluffing.However, this overbet-jam may actually be a great line to take against non-thinking players - especially if these lower cards were a little bit higher - fish may snap you off with the naked As or even any pair thinking you're fos.
This guy started the match extremely aggressive, openjammed his first two buttons, then opened the next two. First time where we've seen a flop.No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBLazzzyDog550 SBHero450 Effective Stacks: 23bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, LazzzyDog calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) LazzzyDog checks, Hero bets 40, LazzzyDog calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) LazzzyDog checks, Hero checks River (160, 2 players) LazzzyDog bets 100, Hero calls 100 Final Pot: 360
Another standard spot: we hit a weak top pair and there's an overcard ott.Also didn't really pay attention to stack sizes, I should not have flatted JTo for 15bb - and if I did, maybe check/jam flop ?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBDrKorcsok460 BBHero540 Effective Stacks: 15bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BB DrKorcsok raises to 60, Hero calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) Hero checks, DrKorcsok bets 90, Hero calls 90 Turn (300, 2 players) Hero checks, DrKorcsok goes all-in 310, Hero calls 310 River (920, 2 players, 1 all-in) Final Pot: 920
Easy fold facing the "minraise of death" ? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBvlasov33500 BBHero500 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB vlasov33 calls 10, Hero checks Flop (40, 2 players) Hero bets 30, vlasov33 calls 30 Turn (100, 2 players) Hero bets 80, vlasov33 raises to 160, Hero folds Final Pot: 340
And this here reminds me on that discussion on 2+2:http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/185/heads-up-sng/60st-vs-donkbets-1081651/It's such a small bet on the turn and river, but we don't really beat anything.No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBKasyan-82430 SBHero570 Effective Stacks: 22bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, Kasyan-82 calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Kasyan-82 bets 40, Hero calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) Kasyan-82 bets 20, Hero calls 20 River (200, 2 players) Kasyan-82 bets 40, Hero calls 40 Final Pot: 280
When they slowplay stuff ...No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBG0LDB4ER620 BBHero380 Effective Stacks: 19bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB G0LDB4ER raises to 40, Hero calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Hero checks, G0LDB4ER checks Turn (80, 2 players) Hero bets 50, G0LDB4ER calls 50 River (180, 2 players) Hero bets 100, G0LDB4ER raises to 300, Hero goes all-in 190 Final Pot: 770
Let's say we're playing against a good reg, who's also a Fast Track member.We both are fairly aggressive on our buttons, I flatted his first two opens, then folded to an overbet-jam on a monochrome board and a normal cbet on Ace-high, folded to his 3rd open.Then I pick up Aces in the BB for 15.8 bb effective stacks - jam, timedown then jam, or flat ?I jammed, he folded. He folded to my next open, then minraised again for 14.5 bb - good 3bet-jam with K9o, considering that I just did it ?way too much card removal/fold equity with the AA. I much prefer flatting vs a wide opener and just check/jamming most cbets.K9o jam seems fine, can see flatting vs a tighter opener - but I suspect a wide openers button raising range to stay the same or possibly even widen after you 3bet jam...i think most thinking players assume other thinking players will play more fit or fold oop after 3bet shoving (so they open wider).
@K9 hand:vs thinking players a c/r will be pretty good as a lot of guys will get leveled pretty hard by it and spew. i think c/c vs randoms is fine and i'm not folding to 3 barrels. it sucks though as our range is kinda face up so barreling into us w air seems pretty unlikely. i just sigh/call/reevaluate for future decisions. pretty standard.
Well, I wasn't sure whether flatting for about 15bb wouldn't actually look a lot stronger than just jamming since you'd probably expect me to jam a ton at these stack sizes anyways, so flatting may have looked weird.unless he is opening his button a bunch and folding to lots of shoves, we should probably have some kind of flatting range at these stacks still. J9/T9s/Q8/Q7s type stuff probably have slightly better expectation as a flat than jamming. depends on his frequencies obv, but i think vs avg thinking player that would be my standard play with those hands. if that is the case, our flat shouldn't look that strong.
@ 95 hand:just be careful that he doesnt know too much about your thought process barreling this board. if you are barreling off 95 here with this reasoning, you are essentially barreling atc. if you are barreling atc as well as your QJ+ for value - you will not have enough value hands in your range to be balanced. being exploitable is perfectly fine, just keep in mind what you are opening yourself up to. if villain is flatting some weak AX, calling off with all JX...his calldown range is probably exploiting our frequency. don't want to discourage you from barreling in spots where villains range is weak, just keep in mind that he might be thinking on the same level as you about the spot.
@K9:Just check/shove the flop vs thinking players. Yes, it's an overbet, but you are NEVER c/r bluffing to this non-allin size - thinking players know this so just check/jam. prob gets called lighter which is better for pretty much anything u check/jam.check/shove seems perfectly fine if he cbets a reasonable amount on this board. donkbet/jam is probably the best line imo so that he isnt able to determine what range he cbets with - take initiative away.
Speaking of donk-bets on Ace-high flops ...Hokie, just saw your comment http://www.husng.com/content/georges-pokerstars-super-turbo-hh-thread#co... regarding George's K8 hand.Is this because that guy is a random, so we don't know his pf flatting ranges, ie. how much of his Ax / Qx / PP's he'd 3bet pf ?Against a reg, I'd actually like raising here a lot, considering what I wrote above - ie. he doesn't have that much Ax in his range, we do.So let's say we played that K8 hand against a good reg, or even another Fast Track member - good spot for a multi-barrel bluff giving those reads ? Sure, we'd have to fold after getting c/r ott, but would you still fire a 2nd barrel ?My main point was that when most people mindonk this type of board they are expecting to get bluff-raised. I don't think their range matters a ton, as I just don't think many people mindonk hands and give up easily to a raise. I'd like to get an idea of frequencies and types of boards being led before starting to play back.
@67s:From what I've read about mrbam's opening range, it looks like a 3bet shove pre to me.
@ K4: looks good, too many missed draws for us to fold here readless. at deeper stacks i would barrel the turn to protect and for river implied odds. at these stacks i prefer turn check as i'm pretty worried about getting check/jammed on a board like this and having to fold.@ J7: hmm, flop REALLY looks like a c/r to me. protect equity, i think a c/r looks kinda bluffy to al ot of people and gets looked up pretty light. if you do decide to flat at these stacks, it is bc i foresee villain barreling a ton - so an overcard isn't a bad card for us as his bluffing frequency should be very high. im stacking off on this flop always.@K7: haha, such a sick spot. i actually think yoru turn fold is perfectly fine. i give minraises over my 2nd barrel a lot of respect until i find reason to do otherwise. it is just such a strong line from the avg player. nice hand - glad to see you lead flop, been seeing way too many flop c/r with weak top pairs (compared to flop stack off ranges limped) in this forum. want to see more leading both with real hands and air.@Q9: looks good.@KJ: fold river readless. i think when people check back the flop it's usually not with the plan to take some crazy bluff line on future streets. i respect this play until i have reason to do otherwise.
That guy was extremely aggro, he opened close to 100% of his buttons, I already 3bet-jammed a few times before where he folded. And he also 3bet me quite a bit, so I tried limping.
This guy has been extremely aggro, and I've already tried to bluff him off hands without much success. First time that he's minbetting.
Was scared of c/r'ing him here, then having to give up on later streets / against a jam.But then:
This guy has been super aggro pre-flop, openjammed a ton, now he limps the first time:
Not continuing here against the minraise of death - but maybe I shouldn't immediately attack his limp first time he's doing it ?I think one big mistake I made here was not really paying attention to the player type - this guy is pretty much loose-aggressive, so bluffing him isn't such a good idea. Oh yeah - this one !I've seen so many check/minraises this session, that I started to seriously doubt that they really have it. Maybe I've also been overly scared about these check/minraises - isn't it a completely different thing when they do it on the flop, not on the turn ?
So my thinking here was that I didn't believe him to actually have Kx here, so I decided to flat and reevaluate turn. Then, I picked up some equity with that Queen-high flush draw and it was such a tiny little bet. And on the river, I made my set, thus beating all the Kx / two pair hands. This session went fine, but I felt like I didn't deserve to win this one:
This one was against a good reg, I labeled him as tight-aggressive.
First time that he c/r me, don't think I beat anything here.
Good c/r and gii when he jams ?
Minraise/call ok here, or should I better openjam ?He previously both openjammed and minraised at these stack sizes, now he suddenly limps, but I have a super strong hand. Good idea to jam here ?
He limp-trapped me that hand. Then he minraised and openjammed a few more of his buttons, now he suddenly limped again. I already jammed a few times over his minraises where he folded.
Unknown guy, early in the match:
Identified him as passive and tricky-trappy. Now he suddenly leads:
He already 3bet-jammed a few times before, and flatted with premiums - and now we're at 12bb with K8s:
@83:since you didn't post any reads, i'm going to say this is a fold pre. opening 100% is too wide vs the averge player. i can see some reasons for opening this wide at this stacks, let me know if you have more info to back that up.postflop, i'm not bet/folding top pair this short. yes, it's a connected board but people are induced to play a much wider range faster than we might be used to because of how short stacks are. c/r their 6X/7X type stuff "to protect" bc stacks are short. i dont feel great about it, but i'm def stacking off here.@K7:looks good@AT:i would never play it any differently.@A9:really standard. stuff that dominates a limp/calling range like KQ/JT type stuff i would raise non-allin to like 95ish and jam most flops. A9 doesn't dominate a limp calling range really.@J9:a little close, but i would check back here with a hand that plays really well in limped pots.
@T5:river check is super standard. our vbet needs to work 50%> to be correct, i doubt many players call anything on the river enough for that to work.@KJ:hard to put him on AX and it feels like a spazzy/wierd line to me. i jam with decent equity vs TX and possibly some fold equity. i don't expect to see an ace much at all even with the line he is taking.@K8:looks like a minraise call to me.
@K5:def just jam pre. it's not a hand that limps well and you have to limp/fold. you can jam with NASH. def jamming here always.@Q9:ya i'm not c/r here without reads or some frequencies.@K7:definitely a fold post. i just check back pre though - it's not that valuable of a hand to raise a limp with as it doesnt really dominate a limp/calling range by any means. decent hand for al imped pot though.@QQ:i'm flatting turn and rivers unimproved typically. lots of his range got there on the turn.@J7:check/shove the flop, especially after his big cbet size. we can't really check/fold future streets this committed and it sucks to let the parts of his range we are ahead of realize it's equity by us playing passively. really standard c/shove imo.
Just looked at over my last sessions to find spots where I got either led into or check/raised on the river, where I was unsure what to do. I think I'm calling these way too light. $10/$20 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBamaenpaa$490.00 BTNHero$510.00 Effective Stacks: 25bb Pre-Flop ($30.00, 2 players) Hero is BTN Hero raises to $40.00, amaenpaa calls $20.00 Flop ($80.00, 2 players) amaenpaa checks, Hero bets $40.00, amaenpaa calls $40.00 Turn ($160.00, 2 players) amaenpaa checks, Hero bets $80.00, amaenpaa calls $80.00 River ($320.00, 2 players) amaenpaa checks, Hero bets $120.00, amaenpaa raises to $240.00, Hero calls $120.00 Final Pot: $800.00 $10/$20 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBjevero$490.00 BTNHero$510.00 Effective Stacks: 25bb Pre-Flop ($30.00, 2 players) Hero is BTN Hero raises to $40.00, jevero calls $20.00 Flop ($80.00, 2 players) jevero checks, Hero bets $40.00, jevero calls $40.00 Turn ($160.00, 2 players) jevero checks, Hero bets $80.00, jevero calls $80.00 River ($320.00, 2 players) jevero checks, Hero bets $120.00, jevero raises to $240.00, Hero goes all-in $350.00, jevero goes all-in $90.00 Final Pot: $1000.00 $10/$20 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBSylvest99$410.00 BTNHero$590.00 Effective Stacks: 21bb Pre-Flop ($30.00, 2 players) Hero is BTN Hero raises to $40.00, Sylvest99 calls $20.00 Flop ($80.00, 2 players) Sylvest99 checks, Hero bets $40.00, Sylvest99 calls $40.00 Turn ($160.00, 2 players) Sylvest99 checks, Hero checks River ($160.00, 2 players) Sylvest99 checks, Hero bets $80.00, Sylvest99 raises to $160.00, Hero calls $80.00 Final Pot: $480.00 $10/$20 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBpalm91$540.00 BTNHero$460.00 Effective Stacks: 23bb Pre-Flop ($30.00, 2 players) Hero is BTN Hero raises to $40.00, palm91 calls $20.00 Flop ($80.00, 2 players) palm91 checks, Hero bets $40.00, palm91 calls $40.00 Turn ($160.00, 2 players) palm91 checks, Hero bets $80.00, palm91 raises to $160.00, Hero calls $80.00 River ($480.00, 2 players) palm91 goes all-in $300.00, Hero goes all-in $220.00 Final Pot: $1000.00
call me a nit, but i fold all of them! i even fold the K9 to the turn check/minraise. think about the population tendancy in these spots - it is a range that is far ahead of all of your hands. my thought process is basically: if villain is exploiting me by bluffing me in these spots, he either will not do it with enough frequency for it to matter - or he will do it with too high of a frequency and it will be easy to spot that frequency and adjust accordingly. when we are readless, poker is not a guessing game - we use population tendancies to make decisions. the only thing that makes these situations closer to me is that they are all check/minraises so we don't have to be good that often to be able to call (like 20%ish in most of the hands) - i still don't think we are good that frequently in my experience though. bluffs make almost no sense in all spots and i don't see people making super-thin value check/minraises on these type boards either!K4 hand might be debatable, but considering how many combos make sense that beat us i still think it's a fold (flush, 68/63, full house). there aren't that many 4X combos in average players oop calling range that we beat (most people are folding 94o type stuff).
Thanks a lot for your quick reply, and I hope you had a safe flight home.Really like your argument, didn't really think about it like that before. When I got into this situation at the table, I was always thinking this line absolutely doesn't make any sense at all, so it must be a bluff.But then I looked at my database and explicitly filtered for these spots - realizing that I'm already down 10 buy-ins in these spots over the last 500 games !Looks pretty much like we just found and fixed a major leak in my game :-)Btw. I'm also single-tabling as you suggested and I'm really happy with my results so far !
Unknown, no reads:No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBkyri0113490 SBHero510 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, kyri0113 calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) kyri0113 checks, Hero bets 40, kyri0113 calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) kyri0113 checks, Hero checks River (160, 2 players) kyri0113 bets 120, Hero calls 120 Final Pot: 400
This guy is tight-aggressive, opens about 67%, but very nitty in his bb.Maybe not such a great card to fire a 2nd barrel against this guy ? Since he's so tight oop, this board doesn't really hit his range at all and I also don't see him float with random Kx here either, except AcKx maybe.No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero500 BBPaulharvey3500 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, Paulharvey3 calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Paulharvey3 checks, Hero bets 40, Paulharvey3 calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) Paulharvey3 checks, Hero bets 80, Paulharvey3 raises to 260, Hero folds Final Pot: 500
Valuetowning myself ?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero360 BBalicenko201640 Effective Stacks: 18bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, alicenko201 calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) alicenko201 checks, Hero bets 40, alicenko201 calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) alicenko201 checks, Hero bets 80, alicenko201 calls 80 River (320, 2 players) alicenko201 checks, Hero goes all-in 200, alicenko201 calls 200 Final Pot: 720
Fold anywhere here ?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBIwantbearich640 BBHero360 Effective Stacks: 18bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB Iwantbearich raises to 40, Hero calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Hero checks, Iwantbearich bets 40, Hero calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) Hero checks, Iwantbearich bets 60, Hero calls 60 River (280, 2 players) Hero checks, Iwantbearich bets 140, Hero goes all-in 220, Iwantbearich calls 80 Final Pot: 720
And I keep paying people off with their monsters ....No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBkyri0113380 SBHero620 Effective Stacks: 19bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, kyri0113 raises to 80, Hero goes all-in 620, kyri0113 goes all-in 300
Silver-VIP on Stars, so random fish. Maybe overbet-jam turn ?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero500 BBnaruto 2003500 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, naruto 2003 calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) naruto 2003 checks, Hero bets 60, naruto 2003 calls 60 Turn (200, 2 players) naruto 2003 checks, Hero bets 120, naruto 2003 calls 120 River (440, 2 players) naruto 2003 goes all-in 280, Hero folds Final Pot: 720
I'm itching to play poker, so let me take a crack at these hands: imho: the J5 is fine wp; the A8ss I would actually strongly consider checking back the flop because of your reads, and definitely check back turn/shut down river, but I'm curious in particular about flop decision; The Q7 river decision is really close between chk back and value bet and depends on reads on villains looseness/passiveness oop; the Q8--wtf is that river jam? just c/f river, he's rarely firing the 3rd barrel in that spot without 9x; 66 standard wp; QT looks fine though turn is close to a check back i think--it's a good place to dbl barrel bluff, so it might be better not to vbet, dunno though it's close.
My thinking in the A8ss was since this board doesn't hit his range very much, I can easily barrel him off, even fire three barrels as long as the board texture doesn't change.The Q8 - yeah, I think I'm stacking off way too light in these spots - I simply tell myself it's now less likely that he actually has 9x ...Don't like checking back with that QT at all - I still have the best hand ott a lot, so I absolutely want to get some value.
140 hands, 32% pfr, 60% limp, 73% coldcall, 17% 3bet.No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero560 SBinga12345678440 Effective Stacks: 22bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB inga12345678 raises to 40, Hero goes all-in 560, inga12345678 goes all-in 400 Flop (1000, 2 players, 2 all-in) Turn (1000, 2 players, 2 all-in) River (1000, 2 players, 2 all-in) Final Pot: 1000 No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBinga12345678600 SBHero400 Effective Stacks: 20bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, inga12345678 raises to 80, Hero goes all-in 400, inga12345678 calls 320 Flop (800, 2 players, 1 all-in) Turn (800, 2 players, 1 all-in) River (800, 2 players, 1 all-in) Final Pot: 800 No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBinga12345678520 SBHero480 Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, inga12345678 calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) inga12345678 checks, Hero bets 40, inga12345678 calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) inga12345678 checks, Hero bets 80, inga12345678 calls 80 River (320, 2 players) inga12345678 checks, Hero goes all-in 320, inga12345678 folds Final Pot: 640 No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBinga12345678570 SBHero430 Effective Stacks: 22bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, inga12345678 raises to 60, Hero calls 20 Flop (120, 2 players) inga12345678 bets 20, Hero raises to 100, inga12345678 calls 80 Turn (320, 2 players) inga12345678 checks, Hero goes all-in 270, inga12345678 folds Final Pot: 590
Bottom two on connected board against random fish (Silver VIP on Stars).No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero480 SBwujas87520 Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB wujas87 calls 10, Hero checks Flop (40, 2 players) Hero bets 20, wujas87 raises to 40, Hero raises to 100, wujas87 raises to 200, Hero goes all-in 460, wujas87 calls 260 Turn (960, 2 players, 1 all-in) River (960, 2 players, 1 all-in) Final Pot: 960
J5: turn bet is mandatory. think about all the combo draws that will call a turn bet, and then rivers unimproved can go check/check. you are missing value vs all these combo draws, AND giving free equity to his entire range. if we bet turn and get c/r it's a super easy fold. think about this one a bit!A8: I agree it's not the best board to barrel, but I think you are probably misinterpreting his oop range. If he has a nitty range oop, thats going to be a lot of T8-KT, QJ, Q9, K9 type hands. I think a nitty range actually hits the board quite hard, which is why I wouldn't barrel it. I would be shutting down on the majority of turns on this board really - possibly not even cbetting the flop given how hard the flop hits him.Q7: 2 barrel is great - the K misses ihs range completely and your Q/7 outs should still have some equity when called (esp Q). river is a checkback without reads that he will be hero'ing the river a ton (thus making your 3 barreling here really -ev!). think about it the hands you are trying to get value from, if he's calling down 3 barrels with them your 3 barrel on missed rivers would be epic bad.Q8: nothing calls your river check/jam that you beat. yes, it's just 80 chips more, but that thought process of "just throwing the last few in because its short stacks" really adds up over the long term! also, when you check/jam and never get called by worse and you fold out all of his air you don't get to see his hand - when you call, you get a lot of info from seeing what type hands he was barreling.QT: looks really good to me. I like every street. But do you see the contradictory thought process between this hand and the J5 hand? The turn situations are so similar! Bet both!AT/A7/A3/89: all very standard for me.76o: this isn't a board we would be stabbing no equity air pretty much ever, so i'm totally comfortable just leading full pot on this board. even if he is skeptical of a bigger sizing, eh will have a ton of combos that continue on this board. as played, honestly just jam his minraise on the flop. villains respect a small 3bet on this board at these short stacks sooo damn much. a jam looks like drawy type stuff more, and probably gets called wider than a minraising nitfest that happened here :)
Getting maximum value with the nuts ...No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$98.12+$1.88 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero410 BBDenman98590 Effective Stacks: 21bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, Denman98 calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Denman98 checks, Hero bets 40, Denman98 raises to 80, Hero goes all-in 370, Denman98 folds Final Pot: 530
I hate these spots ! Would have snapfolded to a check/minraise, but wasn't so sure about a check/jam since there are also some draws that he could be doing that.No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBStylasz490 SBHero510 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, Stylasz calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Stylasz checks, Hero bets 50, Stylasz calls 50 Turn (180, 2 players) Stylasz checks, Hero bets 100, Stylasz goes all-in 400, Hero calls 300 River (980, 2 players, 1 all-in) Final Pot: 980
First hand of the match against an unknown. Maybe just check/fold on this flop instead of cbetting ?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBm24francis500 BBHero500 Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB m24francis calls 10, Hero raises to 60, m24francis calls 40 Flop (120, 2 players) Hero bets 60, m24francis calls 60 Turn (240, 2 players) Hero checks, m24francis goes all-in 380, Hero folds Final Pot: 620
Another one, I really think I need to learn to fold in these spots ...No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero520 SBrosdale51286480 Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB rosdale51286 raises to 60, Hero calls 40 Flop (120, 2 players) Hero checks, rosdale51286 checks Turn (120, 2 players) Hero bets 80, rosdale51286 calls 80 River (280, 2 players) Hero bets 160, rosdale51286 raises to 320, Hero goes all-in 380, rosdale51286 goes all-in 20 Final Pot: 1000
T9: looks good. lots of action killing turn cards if we flat. jam looks weaker than a non-ai 3bet. niceAJ: good. lots of hands will be check/jamming turn to protect equity - combo draws/draws w good equity/etc. i'd probably nit up and fold to a check/minraise thoughKQ: would barrel with K/Q of diamonds. i tihnk giving up here is fine. have to know about how fast he plays his big hands and how willing he is to fold to barrels. tons of hands in his range have great equity on river tooKJ: ya fold river, i thnk you see a bluff almost never and chop at best.
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